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First K98K DOT 43 identification

Bayonet is in good condition, frog looks like unisued probably matted by someone postwar, the digits on backside could mean a RBNr marking used since 1943, by good light from side or by white powder applying You will see the complet marking when is visible there. Picture would help here.
 
Yes, yes it’s a WaA37 my mistake. The site had me make the photos worse it wouldn’t accept them but I know not all of my angles were the best. Just wanted to get this up to figure it all out. Now I’m having issues putting the magazine floor plate back on. The plunger and spring fell out.. any suggestions?
the plunger & spring for the floor plate is retained by a small pin/rivet fitted into a hole through the rear of the trigger guard. (trigger guard out of the stock) this hole passes through the edge of the bore for the latch plunger & spring many are staked in place, but some are just held by spring tension. look around where you’ve been working/taking pics, it may be found, if not, a short piece of drill bit or steel wire of the correct diameter will work. “maybe” someone here has a spare? it’s a fairly stiff spring for the job it does.
 
Bayonet is in good condition, frog looks like unisued probably matted by someone postwar, the digits on backside could mean a RBNr marking used since 1943, by good light from side or by white powder applying You will see the complet marking when is visible there. Picture would help here.
These are the two best I could get in the light, would you recommend baby powder or flour? Didn’t want to use one if it could stay stuck on the frog
 

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the plunger & spring for the floor plate is retained by a small pin/rivet fitted into a hole through the rear of the trigger guard. (trigger guard out of the stock) this hole passes through the edge of the bore for the latch plunger & spring many are staked in place, but some are just held by spring tension. look around where you’ve been working/taking pics, it may be found, if not, a short piece of drill bit or steel wire of the correct diameter will work. “maybe” someone here has a spare? it’s a fairly stiff spring for the job it does.
I tracked the small piece down. Looks like this one was held in with spring tension. Very tough to get it all the way through with bare hands. May need to wrap my tools in electrical tape before trying again
 
I tracked the small piece down. Looks like this one was held in with spring tension. Very tough to get it all the way through with bare hands. May need to wrap my tools in electrical tape before trying again
did you try both ends? some of these are like a hollow rivet, but some are actually a solid pin, tapered slightly. when in place in the stock, its captured.
 
It’s more of a riveted end. It’s a bit smaller diameter on one side than the other. Believe it or not it came out while I was putting the magazine floor plate back in while the magazine was in the stock. I think it may have been only inserted in one side previously and loosened up when I took it down. Oh well, a fun excuse to have my hands on a pretty gun. Will just need to take my time to not mar up the finish.
 
Bayonet is in good condition, frog looks like unisued probably matted by someone postwar, the digits on backside could mean a RBNr marking used since 1943, by good light from side or by white powder applying You will see the complet marking when is visible there. Picture would help here.
Do you know anything about slings AndyB? I have a bit of weird one. I can’t find any other examples quite like this one. WaA42 is the waffenamt that is visible if you zoom in. It’s on the inside of the sling. I reached out to bergflak and hope he responds but thought I would drop this here as it came with the rifle. I conditioned this leather which made it much darker than it was previously but the leather was flaking away and seemed brittle
 

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About the frog could probably best help Slash, as he had a great collection of frogs, it could be there is a RBNr divided into 2 rows, or there is a maker stamp, the 9 is there clearly visible, Rbnr is in format 0/xxxx/yyyy where the x and y are various digits, the surface of leather was not plain by stamping so the full stamp there is not visible. Stolla Wien is well known leather producer not only of sling but too of holsters and frogs.
 
About the frog could probably best help Slash, as he had a great collection of frogs, it could be there is a RBNr divided into 2 rows, or there is a maker stamp, the 9 is there clearly visible, Rbnr is in format 0/xxxx/yyyy where the x and y are various digits, the surface of leather was not plain by stamping so the full stamp there is not visible. Stolla Wien is well known leather producer not only of sling but too of holsters and frogs.
So oddly enough I cannot find any waffenamt of stolla making leather slings. There is a stolla wien waffenamt for leather goods but the date range is listed as 1940-41 and this has 1939 in two different spots. Waffenamts can be faked but it’s a light strike and I can’t find post war examples looking like this. Maybe this was a small batch or something? The buckle looks good and is d&c but I’m not sure what to make of it. Hopefully berg can help out I emailed him and I guess will find out what he thinks
 
The frog marking is 0/0676 > 0039. It is a RBNr type number without the prefix - numbers only, in two lines. The maker is unknown from the Offenbach area of Hessen.
 
WaA42 is the waffenamt that is visible if you zoom in. It’s on the inside of the sling.
So oddly enough I cannot find any waffenamt of stolla making leather slings. There is a stolla wien waffenamt for leather goods but the date range is listed as 1940-41 and this has 1939 in two different spots. Waffenamts can be faked but it’s a light strike and I can’t find post war examples looking like this. Maybe this was a small batch or something? The buckle looks good and is d&c but I’m not sure what to make of it.

This is a WaA47 not 42. That WaA inspector was one of those assigned to Wien. Found on leather goods from several producers in the area including Stolla. The sling is original. Some are WaA marked, others are not and some are too worn away to be visible.
 
This is a WaA47 not 42. That WaA inspector was one of those assigned to Wien. Found on leather goods from several producers in the area including Stolla. The sling is original. Some are WaA marked, others are not and some are too worn away to be visible.
This is a WaA47 not 42. That WaA inspector was one of those assigned to Wien. Found on leather goods from several producers in the area including Stolla. The sling is original. Some are WaA marked, others are not and some are too worn away to be visible.
Slash you’re the man. You’re absolutely right it is a 47. I’ve been low on sleep, forgive me. I reached out to bergflak and received his opinion as well. He told me it’s likely a very very early sling (Austria was incorporated into the Reich in 38 which I’m sure you already know) but he said he has never seen any that have this mark or made in 1939 and also that they are done with code cgu a 4 or 44 and usually in ink. Guess I got really lucky. Thanks for your time and consideration into this.
 
The frog marking is 0/0676 > 0039. It is a RBNr type number without the prefix - numbers only, in two lines. The maker is unknown from the Offenbach area of Hessen.

The frog marking is 0/0676 > 0039. It is a RBNr type number without the prefix - numbers only, in two lines. The maker is unknown from the Offenbach area of Hessen.

What a wealth of knowledge. Does this frog line up with the bayonet maker and bayonet in terms of time frame? I.e. does it seem like this frog is original to the bayonet and scabbard? Someone mentioned they thought it was added post war and didn’t know if you could tell based on that information
 
Frog as deciphered by Slash could be 1943/4 period so certainly proper date to 44asw piece. Sling could be mixed in time but any ever early pieces could be used, anyway all this items looks like Gis bringbacks only minor used. Light color of the butt means it was for decades stored anywhere out of sun.
 
Frog as deciphered by Slash could be 1943/4 period so certainly proper date to 44asw piece. Sling could be mixed in time but any ever early pieces could be used, anyway all this items looks like Gis bringbacks only minor used. Light color of the butt means it was for decades stored anywhere out of sun.
Well that’s good to know! I’m glad it all goes together. Do you mean the color of the leather butt tab on the sling? Forgive my ignorance. Also, do you recommend storing these in a certain way? Seems like a cool dry place in a case out of the sun with a humidor would be good and of course periodic oiling of the metal parts
 
No i meaned the light colored wood of buttstock, which is here a replacement, yes good storing would help to continue with good condition life.
 
No i meaned the light colored wood of buttstock, which is here a replacement, yes good storing would help to continue with good condition life.
Okay I see. You think the buttplate was swapped? It’s a sauer stock and from what I can tell this appears to be correct for the stock, just not the other metal parts
 
I wrote buttstock not buttplate, i am not expert on K98k rifles, but i assume as mentioned above this is not a dot stock.
 

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