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First Collector K98 for Review: CE 1941

Stephen Stout

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I have a 1941 CE for review that I am purchasing very soon. It is all matching however on the stock there is no waffen ampts or outside markings but the stock has not been sanded. Inside the stock it matches. What do you all think? Also is $1,700 a fair price considering this is my first collector grade K98?
 

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Nice rifle...........

I have a 1941 CE for review that I am purchasing very soon. It is all matching however on the stock there is no waffen ampts or outside markings but the stock has not been sanded. Inside the stock it matches. What do you all think? Also is $1,700 a fair price considering this is my first collector grade K98?

ce 41 all matching is an tough code to come by,so i guess the price is fair
 
Originally, you would expect E/H in the right side, and some E/37 at the wrist/ keel. IMO, with nothing in the wood, I would be cautious... Stock should also be numbered externally, and buttplate needs the sn + alpha... unless it's been restocked
 
The stock should be profusely marked on the exterior. Even if it was a late rebuild / rework with a replaced stock the stock would likely be externally numbered. Thanks for posting it but be careful. There are examples of this rifle in our pic sticky reference section and the guys here will help you.

Cheers,
HB
 
I saw this rifle on GB earlier this month, my thoughts were that the stock was replaced and it probably wasn't original, but hard to say with the sellers pictures, - you show some of them but there were more.

As BiO and Craig stated the stock should be serialed externally and have acceptance in several locations, this is typical throughout this year, so it isn't a failed rifle held back as is the case with SDP in many cases (which accounts for the varied patterns imo). He does show the buttplate, which is matching and original to the rifle, but he doesn't show the wrist and lower buttstock, but I assume that is because nothing good is there?

Also typically when the trigger guard stands out like this there is a problem with a rifle (looks screwed in all the way but no direct pictures of the TG group), and he doesn't show a heads on view of the receiver, looks like the gap (fit) isn't all it could be in some of the pictures. Naturally these observations were based upon the few pictures and any of them could be wrong as the angles are not the best for an evaluation of this kind. Personally I think $1700 is too much unless the stock is original, serialing along the lower buttstock, and or internally might lead to clues, acceptance on the wrist area or lower might be a positive, but short of these things, I think you are really gambling at $1700... though it is a good-date to find when matching-original, $1700 would be a good price for one, but I doubt this is a right rifle. (more information could legitimize the rifle, but what is shown is not right.)
 
I have an all matching ce 41 D block only about 800 off from yours (8920 D w/ BSW barrel). My stock has the Heer H as well as 2 waa's under it.

The rifle looks very similar to mine, does yours have the 936 marked barrel? Since ours are so close I figure it would. I would say the price is fair as long as the stock hasn't been sanded.
 

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Here is the auction link from the last time it ran:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=389064905

There were several auctions previously with no takers--the seller states the stock "may be a replacement". You've received good advice here and I will only echo what others have said: walk away. $1,700 can get you a very nice rifle if you have a lot of patience. At best, this is a $600 rifle if the stock has been replaced and maybe $900 if it is the original stock. Another user here, Turbo Archie, once pointed out that when you see whitened markings it should send up warning flags. Putting white in the markings made them easier to photograph and was done by collectors back in the day. Many of these same collectors altered their rifles to make them "look" better. This often involved heavy stock cleaning and sometimes refinishing. I am not saying all rifles with whitened markings have problems, but a very high percentage do, so just be cautious.

This is a picture study of JP Sauer rifles, my favorite maker. All rifles have the original finish and there is a CE 41 in there:

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread...8-1940-1941-amp-1942X2)&highlight=study+sauer
 

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