early low turret sauer

[Dave Roberts]

Yes it would be interesting to see the other side. Are the holes, where present, round (drilled deliberately) or do they result from ‘break through’, where 2 cuts intersect & create an opening?

These are break through holes unlike those on Argentine LT front Base which IMO was deliberately done during machining process .
This Link> (Late war lt ). will bring you to my Late War LT Rifle go to my second post the first photo if you look close you will see the break through hole in the base

 

[Dave Roberts]

On post number 9, picture 2, showing the serial number and partial receiver ring, what is the vertical cog/AR symbol on the receiver?

Rick to best of my knowledge this AR symbol is a Post War proof mark , I believe its French but do not quote me on that . Maybe someone knows for certain which Country its from/for .

 

[biggymu]

Rick to best of my knowledge this AR symbol is a Post War proof mark , I believe its French but do not quote me on that . Maybe someone knows for certain which Country its from/for .

Thanks Dave, I was just following along and having never seen a very early low turret, I didn’t know if that was some special proof. Don’t recall ever seeing that one.
Heck of a nice low turret in the link provided. Couldn’t possibly be improved on! Congratulations!

 

[Muncher 1953]

These are break through holes unlike those on Argentine LT front Base which IMO was deliberately done during machining process .
This Link> (Late war lt ). will bring you to my Late War LT Rifle go to my second post the first photo if you look close you will see the break through hole in the base

nice rifle! I see the difference & agree that the Argentine base holes are not breakthrough, but deliberately drilled through. Thanks!

 

[Philip]

Yes it would be interesting to see the other side. Are the holes, where present, round (drilled deliberately) or do they result from ‘break through’, where 2 cuts intersect & create an opening?

In my example which is a later 1943 byf LT, the hole is very small and only on one side as previously stated. I always suspected that it was accidental based on the tiny size and irregular shape. As you implied above, it would be easy to happen when the tapered screw access hole is bored as it is clear that part of the wall is paper thin metal, but only about a square millimeter of it.

 

[Absolut]

nice rifle! I see the difference & agree that the Argentine base holes are not breakthrough, but deliberately drilled through. Thanks!

Now we are getting into very deep detail, but the very first Argentine LT bases didn't have screws at all and were only soldered. I own the 39th Argentine scope ever made, with its original bases. Looks like that:

Note the scope doesn't carry any Zeiss markings at all, all markings on the tube are hand engraved. More pictures on the thread I made on it back then: https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/the-39th-turret-mount-ever-made.22737/

Edit: that AR to my knowledge is a French firing proof. Note the barrel is marked 8x60 atop, back when 8x57 was prohibited in France the rifles got their caliber converted to the 8x60 to make them legal.

This whole thread is a bit weird. The images posted in here are only very detail aspects with none showing a full item. But thanks for Xavier to show the rings posted originally were not always with the scope it is now. Maybe this was the "restauration" that OP @sauer spoke of? Given that the base somewhat looks like it is an Argentine front LT base (again: no full pictures visible?) maybe someone pulled them for the whole rifle being a fake. That would also explain the weird stamps on the rings. So maybe not an "early low turret sauer" but someones enhaced Argentine LT set?

 

[Xavier]

Gentlemen, please excuse me jumping in, (because I lack the knowledge you fellows possess) but did anyone else notice a peculiarity in the front base? I believe I’ve read here on the K98k forum that the Argentines made their own turret bases, distinguished by through holes into the ring base socket above the side mounting screw holes, as shown in Xavier’s post #9 pic2, and also post #14 pic. Might someone have dismantled a low turret sniper they believed to be fake? I don’t know WHEN the Argies made their bases, but I can envision a couple of ways a set or few sets of bases may have passed between Argentina &

I xwi

Now we are getting into very deep detail, but the very first Argentine LT bases didn't have screws at all and were only soldered. I own the 39th Argentine scope ever made, with its original bases. Looks like that:

Note the scope doesn't carry any Zeiss markings at all, all markings on the tube are hand engraved. More pictures on the thread I made on it back then: https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/the-39th-turret-mount-ever-made.22737/

Edit: that AR to my knowledge is a French firing proof. Note the barrel is marked 8x60 atop, back when 8x57 was prohibited in France the rifles got their caliber converted to the 8x60 to make them legal.

This whole thread is a bit weird. The images posted in here are only very detail aspects with none showing a full item. But thanks for Xavier to show the rings posted originally were not always with the scope it is now. Maybe this was the "restauration" that OP @sauer spoke of? Given that the base somewhat looks like it is an Argentine front LT base (again: no full pictures visible?) maybe someone pulled them for the whole rifle being a fake. That would also explain the weird stamps on the rings. So maybe not an "early low turret sauer" but someones enhaced Argentine LT set?

l will check in the hard drive of my computer if I can find more pictures.
Do not Forget that there is a little screw on the locking lever on the rear foot, a feature that is usually on a locking lever of 1939/40 rather than 1943.

 

[Xavier]

I xwi

l will check in the hard drive of my computer if I can find more pictures.
Do not Forget that there is a little screw on the locking lever on the rear foot, a feature that is usually on a locking lever of 1939/40 rather than 1943.

I have found one more picture but it is the last one I have…

 

[Muncher 1953]

I have found one more picture but it is the last one I have…

Ahh! if only 2 more cm to the right……is it too obvious or convenient that nr. ‘1949’ is stamped on the bottom of the rear foot?

 

[Xavier]

Ahh! if only 2 more cm to the right……is it too obvious or convenient that nr. ‘1949’ is stamped on the bottom of the rear foot?

No it is 1940

 

[Muncher 1953]

No it is 1940

Darn!
that is what I meant to type, sorry!

 

[sauer]

Hi!
To please Dave, here are the photos of these bases
you will also note these markings, especially the numbering of 3 on the top of the rear base which corresponds to the nut of the rear foot numbered 0.3
Another thing is a restoration that I made only to please myself, in my title I spoke of the rings! and others
for information of memory I had already provided photographs of these rings to certain people of this forum well before!!
to conclude I did not like being attacked in this way by Mr. x without going further in my conversation
If you want more photos, let me know, right now I have a lot of free time
best regard

 

[Dave Roberts]

I xwi

l will check in the hard drive of my computer if I can find more pictures.
Do not Forget that there is a little screw on the locking lever on the rear foot, a feature that is usually on a locking lever of 1939/40 rather than 1943.

Xavier here are pics of a 43 LT Ajack that I once owned but now resides in French collection last I knew and if you notice the locking lever it has the Screw with Detent spring same as early 1939/40 LT

 

[mike radford]

These are break through holes unlike those on Argentine LT front Base which IMO was deliberately done during machining process .
This Link> (Late war lt ). will bring you to my Late War LT Rifle go to my second post the first photo if you look close you will see the break through hole in the base

Dave, I still want it. Are you sure I do not have anything you had rather have? What a rifle. Thanks for linking and posting.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Mike , I know you do , You and a number of others feel the same . Its not going anywhere soon . Not much I want unless You have an all Matching Sauer SSR in 90% cond or better that may tempt me !!!!!!