Couple Mausers – Which to Glass?

[GS455]

I know – a potential topic of blasphemy.

BUT I just can’t shoot irons anymore. Pretty much all I shoot has to have glass on it. I have many thousands of rounds of corrosive 8mm and only one bolt gun, a Yugo M48 wi ZRAK ONM76B, basically I turned it into a clone of a Yugo Civil War, field-expedient sniper. Shoots GREAT.

I have a few semi auto 8mm’s but I don’t like to shoot corrosive out of them. I’d like to put together at least one other bolt gun to run the corrosive through. I’m considering putting a scope on a either a Czech BRNO 98/29 Persian Mauser, all matching in VG condition or a Yugo 24/47 also all matching in good condition. Both have mirror bright bores wi razor sharp lands

Question is, before I just drill & tap either I’m wondering if there was some kind of Sniper I could seek to clone. No, I’m not interested in scout mount scopes. Scoping the longer barreled Persian is intriguing and I already have an M48 Yugo glassed. Also, I already have a MINT museum piece 98/29 I got from Samco years ago (the ultimate wall hanger, safe queen). I’d have to get spare bolts for either and turn em down. Is there some pattern Persian that ever came with glass I could seek to clone?

 

[Muncher 1953]

no drill scout mount from S&K, (I DID read what you wrote) or a rifle that has already been drilled. I’m in the same boat vision wise, but a rear sight leaf w/Norwegian U notch makes it so I can see the rear notch & at least hit paper.

 

[Muncher 1953]

or this: https://www.badacetactical.com/products/low-profile-mauser-k98k-ndt-scope-mount-picatinny-rail

 

[Thorne]

I would really refrain from bubba'in a persian, they're very nice rifles and it'd be a shame.

You may not want a LER scope. But something I never thought of was a friend with old eyes had a scout mount and a red dot sight on their mosin.
It was surprisingly easy and fun to shoot when they wanted me to try it, and its all convertible to original state.

 

[GS455]

Others have suggested selling em off and getting already sporterized or new 8mms. Couple folks suggested I sell of all my carefully stacked cheap and deep 8mm :-/ Point is I want to shoot what I have. And save for one each Ruger RPR (.308) and RAR (x39) pretty much all I have are milsurps. I do have some outliers in my collection I'm considering shedding. i.e. a VG+ condition Modelo 1909 Argy including a few boxes of new PPU 7.65. Not b/c I need the money but with a few exceptions my evolution of milsurp acquiring is if I don’t shoot it, why keep it. Which I why I ponder the utility of these two. I’d REALLY love to hang em and others up on the walls of my basement office/man cave but that would certainly flaunt invitation of robbery. So they are wrapped and stored.

I think the direction I’m leaning towards is looking into a “scout” mount set up, after all, that hopefully can swap between the Persian and Yugo for trial/comparison purposes. Or if I have to go with separate mounts, I can still swap an LER scope between them. That’ll allow me to enjoy the 98/29 under glass AND to see if accuracy on the 24/47 warrants cloning into another Yugo Civil War sniper to join my current M48 sniper clone below. I can certainly find another ONM76 out there. Finding swing mounts that aren’t a foot high might be a challenge. The set I found below was an eBay purchase from a guy in Canada with no makers marks. The bolt juuuust clears the scope perfectly.

 

[GS455]

I’ll go with a scout set-up here on the Persian. The Bad Ace mount seems most common

Gen 2 Ultra Low-Profile Scout Mount for Mauser Yugo M48, K.Kale, Spanish M43, VZ.24 and Argentine M1909

NOTE: Works on the following Mauser models: Yugo M48, M24/47 Turkish Model 1938, including K.Kale, ASFA/ANK ARA Czech VZ.24 German G24(t) Spanish M43, Spanish Air Force M43 Argentine Model 1909 rifle (not Carbine) Persien Mauser M98/29 Belgium FN Mauser 30-06 (FN 24/30 M1950) Serbian/Yugoslavian...

www.badacetactical.com

However, when it comes to scout scopes, I’m hoping BDC reticle with FFP. About the only thing I have turned up is the Hi-Lux LER 2X-7X with 308BDC reticle .

https://hi-luxoptics.com/products/hi-lux-optics-long-eye-relief-2x-7x-riflescope?variant=36901033485

Should be, but I’m not a ballistics guy. How will the 308 BDC reticle serve with to use with 8mm? (out to 400yds) Are there any other LER, FFP, BDC scout scopes that could be appropriate for a 29” long, 8mm barrel such as the Persian 98/29 ?

 

[GS455]

Look what I got for Christmas. A BadAce mount and a LER 4x Burris wi FFP, BDC reticle. How could my wife have known !!! It was a very peculiar experience for me to shoot via an LER scope for the 1st time. Will take getting used to. Initially I really do not care for it at all. I always thought these set ups look goofy. Even more so in person.

BUT I was able to target out to 300yds. No-go on the 1950’s Yugo M49. Will need a high-power spring in the bolt. I was able to get 2-3” groups with 1990’s Yugo M75 as well as that WWII Nazi 178gr MG ammo that’s been around lately. Actually, I have been VERY pleased with that German stuff. Was getting at and under 2” with my Yugo M48. This last trip was pretty cold and I was irritated by the LER scope so I’m sure when I have some patience it’ll do much better. Plus I forgot a gel pad and after a few boxes of ammo my shoulder was quickly DONE.





After 12-14 years I’ve literally never had this rifle out to the range. It was very difficult to feed the 1st couple rounds of each magazine fill. They’d almost feed angled up steep and over the breech. Never seen that before. A weak follower spring ? Back at the house I wanted to do a full field strip and ran into this little gem holding the rear barrel band on. Seriously? Were they trying to dissuade grunts from taking em apart? I’ve never come across this on any of my Mausers. A Czech thing? So where do I find the special driver and what’s it called?

 

[Schmud0811]

Look what I got for Christmas. A BadAce mount and a LER 4x Burris wi FFP, BDC reticle. How could my wife have known !!! It was a very peculiar experience for me to shoot via an LER scope for the 1st time. Will take getting used to. Initially I really do not care for it at all. I always thought these set ups look goofy. Even more so in person.

BUT I was able to target out to 300yds. No-go on the 1950’s Yugo M49. Will need a high-power spring in the bolt. I was able to get 2-3” groups with 1990’s Yugo M75 as well as that WWII Nazi 178gr MG ammo that’s been around lately. Actually, I have been VERY pleased with that German stuff. Was getting at and under 2” with my Yugo M48. This last trip was pretty cold and I was irritated by the LER scope so I’m sure when I have some patience it’ll do much better. Plus I forgot a gel pad and after a few boxes of ammo my shoulder was quickly DONE.

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After 12-14 years I’ve literally never had this rifle out to the range. It was very difficult to feed the 1st couple rounds of each magazine fill. They’d almost feed angled up steep and over the breech. Never seen that before. A weak follower spring ? Back at the house I wanted to do a full field strip and ran into this little gem holding the rear barrel band on. Seriously? Were they trying to dissuade grunts from taking em apart? I’ve never come across this on any of my Mausers. A Czech thing? So where do I find the special driver and what’s it called?

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Take a flat tip screwdriver and grind out the middle to fit

 

[GS455]

There was no need to remove that spanner nut.

Got her back out today. Nice 61-degree break from the recent deep freeze. Using 1990’s 8mm Yugo M75 I was able to zero in with repeatable 2” (+/-) groups. Could stretch out to 400yd, 12” steel with ease. I moved over to 1956 Yugo M49 on stripper clips. Despite overall less than favorable reports, I loaded up on a healthy stash 15 years ago for just under .20cpr. I learned early on not to run this through my M76 nor any semiautos (another story) so I buried it. Unfortunately, during the 2010 Nashville floods it sat under water for almost 2 days. In recent years I’ve had good results with it through my only other scoped 8mm bolt gun, an M48 Balkan Civil War DMR clone under an ONM76B scope.

I tried it a few weeks ago through this Persian 98/29 and got almost 100% fail-to-fire. I broke down and cleaned the bolt (very dry old cosmoline crud in and about), installed a 22lb Wolff bolt spring and now I’m getting an acceptable light strike from only 1 in 20 rounds (+/-). 2nd strike always goes bang.

Here's what’s pretty killer: Without a single click adjustment to the scope my buddy and I were reliably able to whack that 12” plate, @ 400yds, time after time with pretty much 8 out 10 hit ratios. That’s 70 year old ammo though a 90 year old rifle !!! As another well known member on some other forums says: “whatta hobby” !

(Still hate shooting through an LER scope, although, it's bright and clear. Just a PITA to acquire sight pic.)

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

Go big on the scope when your eyes change as you get older and the iron sites arn’t what they use to be when you were young.
Think Enemy at the Gates BIG!
8X Zeiss Zielacht. byf44. Robert Spielauer HIgh Turret Mounts.

 

[Schmud0811]

There was no need to remove that spanner nut.

Got her back out today. Nice 61-degree break from the recent deep freeze. Using 1990’s 8mm Yugo M75 I was able to zero in with repeatable 2” (+/-) groups. Could stretch out to 400yd, 12” steel with ease. I moved over to 1956 Yugo M49 on stripper clips. Despite overall less than favorable reports, I loaded up on a healthy stash 15 years ago for just under .20cpr. I learned early on not to run this through my M76 nor any semiautos (another story) so I buried it. Unfortunately, during the 2010 Nashville floods it sat under water for almost 2 days. In recent years I’ve had good results with it through my only other scoped 8mm bolt gun, an M48 Balkan Civil War DMR clone under an ONM76B scope.

I tried it a few weeks ago through this Persian 98/29 and got almost 100% fail-to-fire. I broke down and cleaned the bolt (very dry old cosmoline crud in and about), installed a 22lb Wolff bolt spring and now I’m getting an acceptable light strike from only 1 in 20 rounds (+/-). 2nd strike always goes bang.

Here's what’s pretty killer: Without a single click adjustment to the scope my buddy and I were reliably able to whack that 12” plate, @ 400yds, time after time with pretty much 8 out 10 hit ratios. That’s 70 year old ammo though a 90 year old rifle !!! As another well known member on some other forums says: “whatta hobby” !

(Still hate shooting through an LER scope, although, it's bright and clear. Just a PITA to acquire sight pic.)

There was no need to remove that spanner nut.

Got her back out today. Nice 61-degree break from the recent deep freeze. Using 1990’s 8mm Yugo M75 I was able to zero in with repeatable 2” (+/-) groups. Could stretch out to 400yd, 12” steel with ease. I moved over to 1956 Yugo M49 on stripper clips. Despite overall less than favorable reports, I loaded up on a healthy stash 15 years ago for just under .20cpr. I learned early on not to run this through my M76 nor any semiautos (another story) so I buried it. Unfortunately, during the 2010 Nashville floods it sat under water for almost 2 days. In recent years I’ve had good results with it through my only other scoped 8mm bolt gun, an M48 Balkan Civil War DMR clone under an ONM76B scope.

I tried it a few weeks ago through this Persian 98/29 and got almost 100% fail-to-fire. I broke down and cleaned the bolt (very dry old cosmoline crud in and about), installed a 22lb Wolff bolt spring and now I’m getting an acceptable light strike from only

Go big on the scope when your eyes change as you get older and the iron sites arn’t what they use to be when you were young.
Think Enemy at the Gates BIG!
8X Zeiss Zielacht. byf44. Robert Spielauer HIgh Turret Mounts.

I’d take that accuracy any day

 

[GS455]

Back to the "Topic of blasphemy" (for some). I'm going to clone the 24/47 into a Balkan "Conflict" DMR via a set of ZRAK Swing Mounts + ONM76B scope. And I bought an M48, bent handle, bolt body off eBay and swapped internals wi the 24/47 bolt.

I transferred a BadAce + LER Burris from my 98/29 Persian last night just to see how she shoots today.

Bottom line:

• I can't shoot anything w/o glass anymore.
• I did the same wi a minty-bore M48 that was gathering dust for years and now it gets to go out and play quite often.
• I have two lifetimes' supply of 8mm that I'd just assume not run through my semi autos.
• I like shooting military config "History".
• Oh, and I really REALLY don't care for the scout+LER set up / solution. I was pounded into submission from the hive for even suggesting I would tap and drill the Persian. This is my insubordinate, pushback with a less valuable collectible that woulda/shoulda/coulda worn the hardware I'm putting on it in real life. Actually I've read that 24/47s came in DnT'd or even wearing Mauser / Zrak bases so . . . . .

. . . . and going to enjoy the company of her siblings.