CE 44 SWEPT BACK SNIPER W/specially marked zf4 scope..
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starsnbars56
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Very nice swept back! Very stout mount, a lot of steel used for strength. Quite 'stylish' or 'rakish' if one would describe its appearance.
Nigromontanus
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Well. I have a bit of knowledge on ZF4s. The screws are not original. I have had some other K.Z.F. marked scopes in my hand and these were from the 5xxxx range. Apart from that I can say only wonderful, IF original.
Here is one more example of Swept Back Scope & Mount same type KZF marked and Serial Range as Mikes and the Mount has a similar Number on the Right Side , the Screws also appear to be the same as used on Mikes Bands . The Screws on both these Swept Back Mounts appear to be same in all respects Length and Style of the Head . Yes they are different from ones used on G/K-43 Bands and 2 other known Swept Backs Snipers in books but that does not mean the screws are Not Original but does not mean they are either . The ultimate fact there is just not enough information or examples available to make such a determination about this Sniper Rifle and minor differences . Best Regards
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k98lsr-shooter
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nice rifles guys , someday ill build me one , always loved the look of those swept backs , wish i could get my hands on an original one , never happen . Both are sweet looking rifles., Altho i do favor the lsr type over any of them , the swept backs are very cool indeed. Got a yugo rework coming i may build into a swept back design
I wouldn't want it in my collection either.
One thing I can say as far as the Mounts , all the Repro Mounts I know of and have seen , none of them had the correct angled sweeps in the Riser Arms of the Mount . Not even Robert Spielauer`s Mount was correct in that respect and his was well done . I would start with the Mount & Base at first to see if that is correct configuration and go on . This part is in IMHO best start point to determine if it is worth investigating deeper or not . Best Regards
Here are Pics of Two Examples Swept Backs reported to be Originals . One from KriegsModell and one from Spielauers Book . If You look at these Mounts and Compare to the ones in question You can see they appear Identical except for the Numbers on outer right bottom end .
The sweep of the Riser Arms I mentioned You can see the difference on my Repro Example compared to the ones I posted and the two already posted . The Riser Arms are at a Straight Line Sweep to rear ward straight angel. Were the other Four Mounts have a slight bent sweeping angle bends in them . Also of the one purported to be originals if You look at the Riser Arm on left Side Very bottom there is a hole in these which I have never seen on any Repro Mounts and which is can be found on the purported originals and on the one Mauser99 and I posted . I am not saying this makes them original but it does show the one Mauser99 & I posted have same characteristics as purported originals .
At one point there were original Photos of Swept Back Sniper from Aberdeen which I did Copy but am unable to find at this point When I copied these Aberdeen Pics I did a Comparison to the Examples in KriegModell and Spielauer`s Book these appeared to same when Comparison was done.
Again that does not prove any of these posted are Original Examples but it does give proof that they very well give a bit more credibility and worth investigating further . Given certain characteristics of Mounts , Bases and Rifles such as correct suffix that certainly helps .
I do agree that it is certainly and most likely the Hardest of all the Sniper Rifles to authenticate due to lack of info and detailed photos . Best Regards .
The sweep of the Riser Arms I mentioned You can see the difference on my Repro Example compared to the ones I posted and the two already posted . The Riser Arms are at a Straight Line Sweep to rear ward straight angel. Were the other Four Mounts have a slight bent sweeping angle bends in them . Also of the one purported to be originals if You look at the Riser Arm on left Side Very bottom there is a hole in these which I have never seen on any Repro Mounts and which is can be found on the purported originals and on the one Mauser99 and I posted . I am not saying this makes them original but it does show the one Mauser99 & I posted have same characteristics as purported originals .
At one point there were original Photos of Swept Back Sniper from Aberdeen which I did Copy but am unable to find at this point When I copied these Aberdeen Pics I did a Comparison to the Examples in KriegModell and Spielauer`s Book these appeared to same when Comparison was done.
Again that does not prove any of these posted are Original Examples but it does give proof that they very well give a bit more credibility and worth investigating further . Given certain characteristics of Mounts , Bases and Rifles such as correct suffix that certainly helps .
I do agree that it is certainly and most likely the Hardest of all the Sniper Rifles to authenticate due to lack of info and detailed photos . Best Regards .
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Dave my friend,
hope you (and nobody else) don't mind, but I'll be the bad boy on this "sniper".
Three "all original ... super rare ... experimental ..... sniper rifles" with three different scopes!?
Did I miss something? Hopefully not. No way!
Remember the "Bu" scope.
Wolf
hope you (and nobody else) don't mind, but I'll be the bad boy on this "sniper".
Three "all original ... super rare ... experimental ..... sniper rifles" with three different scopes!?
Did I miss something? Hopefully not. No way!
Remember the "Bu" scope.
Wolf
Nigromontanus
Senior Member
I wish to convey my support of Wolfgangs point of view.
You did not ruin anything for me Wolfgang my friend . I was only trying to show the similarity of the one in Question to the examples in the Books that are supposedly original and very noticeable differences in the Repro mounts . You asked about what I meant by the Sweep in the Riser Arms I thought You would be able to see differences in the Pics of the supposed Originals and Repro Mount on my Reproduction .
As I have mentioned in past post to little information exists to make any concrete determination whether Original or Not
There were Pictures that surfaced of the Aberdeen Swept Back and that were sold on Ebay , I do not remember if they showed enough detailed info or not to be of any help even if they were Posted Up . One thing that would be helpful would be very detailed photos of the Swept Back from Aberdeen . The person that owns the Swept Back from Aberdeen would most likely never release any detailed photos to help make a determination . I would say until the Aberdeen Swept Back is photographed in detail all is speculation , but even that example will not tell all. The only thing that would is Original Records and Photos . Best Regards
As I have mentioned in past post to little information exists to make any concrete determination whether Original or Not
There were Pictures that surfaced of the Aberdeen Swept Back and that were sold on Ebay , I do not remember if they showed enough detailed info or not to be of any help even if they were Posted Up . One thing that would be helpful would be very detailed photos of the Swept Back from Aberdeen . The person that owns the Swept Back from Aberdeen would most likely never release any detailed photos to help make a determination . I would say until the Aberdeen Swept Back is photographed in detail all is speculation , but even that example will not tell all. The only thing that would is Original Records and Photos . Best Regards
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No disrespect meant , there in U suffix
