Byf 43 l block high turret with bmj scope for review

mike radford said:
I found the conversation interesting because so many things people look for are covered, not because I think it is a good rifle. A detailed analysis is a useful thing. I might buy it for a shooter.

I was about to buy the JPS HT at SOS before you saw it Brian. A couple quick looks and it was dismissed as pretty bad. I had gotten every flaw and good feature exactly right before opinion 2 and 3. I regret not listening to me, not them. A detailed look would have made me feel better about proceeding. A rare rifle makes one less determined to have excellent, the enemy of good is better.
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Hello Mike. I have already worn out my welcome mat for the OP's rifle. I was not going to comment on this OP rifle any further. My opinions have not changed. Looks made up.

The Sauer HT SOS rifle was an honest rare original great rifle in my opinion. I would not listen to what others said about the SOS gun. They may have other motives or personal ambitions. I was there with money in hand to buy it if my friend had not bought it. I offered it to my friend first as a promise to help years ago. My friend is no novice to 98K's or Snipers and we both agreed it was a good Sauer HT gun. We got a good deal on the rifle. The scope tube on the SOS gun was no good. The rings on scope were original Sauer HT rings though. I wish I could post better pictures of the Sauer HT rifle, but I posted what I could already.

I would not want to see someone else to add negatively to their collection with the rifle posted at the start of the thread. It's kind of a two strike rule for me. You can overlook maybe one small thing, but once you get to two or more then the rifle is never worth the risk. A horrible investment.

I would not trust whomever told you anything about the Sauer rifle. Some people have nothing better to do than create issues and justify a narrative. Professional flippers and the like. This OP rifle is not worth any effort or further thought.
 
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I can not say much not already written about the OP rifle but I wanted to point out that the rifle Dave posted in post #24 is an i block LT not an l block HT transitional. At least it appears to be that to me, I will apologize here up front if I’m wrong.
I don’t think that it makes a huge difference as to the points he was making. Seems to be all matching and that is nice to see. Probably 90% of all byf 43 serial range turret snipers that I have seen, viewed in print or on the web over the last 40 or so years since I’ve been paying attention to serial numbers on these have been later than the i block so not often seen.
 
That was an I block, I noticed. It may be mine, a LT for sure. Got an l block HT, 44/45 from a well-known member here.

I am sure some would slice it up but I love it. It was what I could afford and I was sure it was a 43 LT with matching upper rings original scope. Bolt was mismatch, restored sporter with replaced stock and replaced small bits. IIRC the trigger assembly/mag base is original. Shoots like a house afire, best German sniper I have fired which is about 7 or 8 plus three replicas. A few months after purchase the fine seller called me and said the guy he got it from found and brought him the original numbered Walnut stock, which was duffle cut and poorly repaired, did I want it? Dang straight. Something added to the stock finish but very little, numbers untouched, cartouche pretty strong. Love it, warts and all.
 
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Hercules said:
I don’t get what your talking about. That rifle was at least a sniper barreled receiver. I actually wish I still had one. Thanks for this.
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Thats the point I am making Brian Your SC was not completely correct , it also had issues as does this HT yet everyone took the time and effort to discuss your rifle but no one said it was junk or not worthy enough to be discussed . I agree that Your SC barreled action was correct but it had issues . As does the HT and there are some here that think the same is true with this HT barreled action , you haven't proven it to not be original you've only given your opinion which your entitled to .

I suspect nothing I say or anything I show will change your opinion of the barreled action and bases being period original . IMHO this rifle is worthy of respectful discussion .

I have already pointed out in a round about way , why I believe the barreled action and bases are period original , all one need do is look at the pics I posted of other rifles which are specific to these transitional type of HT and put the pieces together . If I am proven wrong then I will be the first to admit it
I have never had an issue with admitting I was wrong .

The other reason I posted the SC Thread Brian was so that You would maybe recall were You started out in collecting and how You have advanced as a collector over the past 10 or 15 yrs and all the different levels of collecting You went threw to get here , as did many other collectors I suspect MYSELF included this also correlates to what I said in some of my earlier post in this Thread .
 
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Hello,
This evening we had a drink with french forum members. As we were talking about sniper rifles, Xavier (Sauer) had the rifle of this thread in hands. He found a marking that i have not seen: a small WR marking on scope rear ring base.
Regards,
Damien
 

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Damien, that is a stamp found on Mauser O turret parts. FYI, fakers do fake this stamp also.

What was Xavier's opinion on this rifle since he had it in hand?
 
hello Indeed I was able to look at this one in my hands, I looked at the front base and the one behind and this as well as I was able to find original traces of preparation for the fixing of these (correct presence of tin under these bases), I also looked at this famous wa135, depth and size etc... even if it is not complete the rest is correct, on the other hand I could not disassemble the stock (damage)
concerning the scope, I checked all the machining of the rings (period preparation)
I was able to find the wr logo on his back foot that Damien had not seen, concerning the numbers of the front ring, only the numbers are slightly larger than usual, no trace of sanding on this ring on the other hand the N on the top is correct!
I also checked the height of the reticle graduation100 meters: correct
I also tried to unscrew the different removable parts of this scope and everything was well blocked
I also brought back that evening my high turret with its scope corresponding to the rifle to compare it with that of Damien
conclusion: I would like to know what is the idiot who sanded this blok L !!
 
Hi Xavier,
Yes it was great to compare with your transitionnal HT rifle in original finish. First time i had one in hands with matching scope!
 
Thanks for the report Xavier. Seems you have the same conclusion as several of us here looking at the pictures. I spoke with Bruce on the phone about this when it was first posted and he had the same conclusion.
 
It was a pleasure to receive you at my place friends, Indianadam, Sauer and Toulon44, it is true that we looked at a lot of rifles (G43, K43, Sauer HT, ZF41...G98 semi turret.. ) that we did not take the time to disassemble the butt of this one to study it and find out if that may have been his in wartime, the numbers may have been sanded down a bit (like the rest of the rifle), his owner wanted to refurbish it at a time when collecting was of little importance to some. It will be for our next meeting, I think Damien will have another very nice gun to show me, an American one
 
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