Borsigwalde K98k Serials and Data
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pzjgr
EOD - bombs and bullets
Here is the list of Borsigwalde, BLM, and Erma's I have...Farb has the full data sheets on each, but I can retrieve any info you might want here...
Borsigwalde -
1937 S/243 425 f
1938 243 2886 n
1940 243 8602 l
1941 ar 1757 g
1942 ar 3149 l
BLM -
1938 S/237 4461 c
1938 237 6521 f
1940 237 3022 b
1941 duv (need to look at database at work to get this s/n)
1942 duv 515
ERMA -
1938 S/27 154 a
1938 S/27 8410 a
1939 27 2789 l
Borsigwalde -
1937 S/243 425 f
1938 243 2886 n
1940 243 8602 l
1941 ar 1757 g
1942 ar 3149 l
BLM -
1938 S/237 4461 c
1938 237 6521 f
1940 237 3022 b
1941 duv (need to look at database at work to get this s/n)
1942 duv 515
ERMA -
1938 S/27 154 a
1938 S/27 8410 a
1939 27 2789 l
S/42
Thunda from down unda
Hope this helps.
First is a set of bands from an S/27.G rifle - 7790. If these are from a G date, as I would think they are, it's a new high for S/27.G.
Nest is my vet souvenir Erma 1939 rifle. All matching, but the original bolt and stock gone (GI Bubba). Everything else matches, down to the triggerguard screws.
First is a set of bands from an S/27.G rifle - 7790. If these are from a G date, as I would think they are, it's a new high for S/27.G.
Nest is my vet souvenir Erma 1939 rifle. All matching, but the original bolt and stock gone (GI Bubba). Everything else matches, down to the triggerguard screws.
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3371940
Well-known member
Not Erma but I have the early type band on an s/147, 1936 "a" block.
S/42
Thunda from down unda
Received my latest US veteran bring back Borsigwalde.
Receiver: 243 1940
Barrel code: 64139Dö
Serial: 9307 i (EVERYTHING, except bolt, floorplate and ejector box - floorplate is unserialled WW2)
Markings: Kriegsmarine M on right side property eagle. Left disc Nordsee marked N31460 (disc interestingly is e/655 and K marked - both discs). Clear e/26 inspection stamps. Only 2 butt side waffenamts - the Eagle/M and large eagle/26 - either the last waffenamt was not struck or it has worn off.
Stock: flat plate laminate. Deep red-brown stain. Beautiful virgin beech inside (VERY blonde). Bayonet bar/nosecap is blued.
Receiver: 243 1940
Barrel code: 64139Dö
Serial: 9307 i (EVERYTHING, except bolt, floorplate and ejector box - floorplate is unserialled WW2)
Markings: Kriegsmarine M on right side property eagle. Left disc Nordsee marked N31460 (disc interestingly is e/655 and K marked - both discs). Clear e/26 inspection stamps. Only 2 butt side waffenamts - the Eagle/M and large eagle/26 - either the last waffenamt was not struck or it has worn off.
Stock: flat plate laminate. Deep red-brown stain. Beautiful virgin beech inside (VERY blonde). Bayonet bar/nosecap is blued.
I've seen some curved sling bars on some maker's early '37 production rifles. By the 9000 range of "c" in '37 the S/237's have gone to straight bars, but the S/42 '37 7xx range in "c" still has curved sling bars. I've seen a bSw '37 with a curved sling bar as well. Hope this helps somewhat.
denny gaither
Moderator - RIP
A few more!
S/243 1938 #4525 All match.
S/243 1938 #4398b All match.
243 1940 #4701a All match.
duv42 #1451r Mismatched trigger housing & floorplate.
S/243 1938 #4525 All match.
S/243 1938 #4398b All match.
243 1940 #4701a All match.
duv42 #1451r Mismatched trigger housing & floorplate.
denny gaither
Moderator - RIP
Another BLM
Oops! Forgot one....
237 1938 #2732d All match.
Oops! Forgot one....
237 1938 #2732d All match.
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sovieteve0118
Banned
DUV 1942 4027r "I" marked receiver none matching
AR 43 8483f very very light stamped maker and receiver code, can barely see it also marked "I" on receiver , white glue stock, all e/26 parts mostly matching
AR 43 8483f very very light stamped maker and receiver code, can barely see it also marked "I" on receiver , white glue stock, all e/26 parts mostly matching
Absolut
Senior Member
Just curious: a friend of mine called me yesterday that they found a rifle when they cleaned up the house of his grandfather. I went there and picked it up, it's a 243 coded rifle dating 1938. Unfortunately a mixmaster, however what caught my attention is the fact that both the barrel and the receiver have the serial 3479 s. According to http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww2/mauser-borsigwalde.pdf the highest known serial number for 1938 is 6157 r, so how would this rifle fit into that scheme?
1586 s is the highest 243/38 known, it is an rc, but it has plenty of rifles nearby to give it status of high that year, - though yours would be the highest now. Vol.I might have a higher rifle known, might check it, but the highest confirmed I have noted is this 1586 s
BTW, nothing is wrong with Bob Jensen's early articles, Peter Kuck did a good job updating them, but one must remember these were originally written before Backbone (late 80's early 90's), - collectors really should try and get these new books Mike & Bruce are developing, they are not only the best understanding that can be had with the current information available, but also rely heavily on Jon Speed's archive and research, each book is full of original documents.
You really can't rely upon any other book unless you are very specialized and or do your own research, which is very time consuming and of dubious value in time & energy involved.
BTW, nothing is wrong with Bob Jensen's early articles, Peter Kuck did a good job updating them, but one must remember these were originally written before Backbone (late 80's early 90's), - collectors really should try and get these new books Mike & Bruce are developing, they are not only the best understanding that can be had with the current information available, but also rely heavily on Jon Speed's archive and research, each book is full of original documents.
You really can't rely upon any other book unless you are very specialized and or do your own research, which is very time consuming and of dubious value in time & energy involved.
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