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skeebinz

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Hey guys,

Looking for opinions on a BNZ 41 Kriegsmarine contract K98...it appears all legit from a legit seller but theres just a few red flags.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=412919638
The auction has ended.

First off...the unnumbered bands do not seem correct but have the same finish and look right for the gun, literally everything else looks original and correct. The mismatched floor plate and trigger guard appear to be actually mismatched but what throws me off is the fact that the magazine seems to have the correct s/n of '70' stamped on it, indicating maybe the floorplate/t guard are actually factory error? Just looking for some opinions on this rifle, is it a turd?
 
I am glad you brought this up. I was watching this auction and had many of the same questions.

It looks to me like there are different fonts of 7s on the gun. It could just be the strike but most of them look like they have a turn down at the top left of the 7 and a few look like the 7 I am typing. I am not a font expert like some on here and I am very interested in the answer.

Also, what is the r for on the spring band?

Sorry to add more questions but I am trying to learn right beside you!
 
The bands and TG and floorplate are mismatched. Both bands should be numbered and the TG and Floorplate are 3210 instead of 9270.
 
Bands are obviously wrong, and the triggerguard/floor plate is simply mismatched. Steyr could be sloppy, but not that sloppy. Band spring should have still been numbered at this point as should the screws. The 'r' on the bandspring is the maker code, Wurker Strickautomatenfabrik.

Bolt flat and firing pin look a little funny as well.
 
The M on the stock looks enhanced at least, but I'm not a fan of the bolt flat. Noticed he didn't post detailed photos of that.
 
What do you guys think about the fact the magazine is matching? Wouldn't you think the floorplate and trigger guard would have the same number as the magazine?

Edit: also, the capture screws and the other screws on the tg appear to have correct waa's
 
The likelihood of the bolt stop not being original is pretty low, am I right? Considering all the other matching parts. Are we getting at that it's a complete fake?
 
An "as is-no refund" auction at that price would have been enough to turn me away. That bolt shroud sure looks like it hit the grinder hard! Ron
 
I have an "a" block 41, bolt mismatch...and the bands are numbered....also, didn't note whether the sight leaf was double sided or not, but the leaf is s/n'd on mine....were they doing single sided leafs this early? The earliest guns I start seeing single sided sight leafs in my database is 42...
 
No way to tell if the bolt is bad, it could be good but I think it might be bad... the sleeve is fine enough, maybe a little more than others, but I have recorded a number that have a similar ground. The e/623x2 on the lower flat is right for this range, exact actually, one flipped to the other, they intermingle e/623 & e/77 in this range with e/623 more common.

Why I think it might be bad is the "2" are different than other bolts with "2" and the "9" is slightly different also; the ebox should be serialed last two also. The stock is right, this is a range for KM SDP production, it has a lot of company.

Odds are it is good, maybe the fonts look different to me due to the imperfect photography, it seems unlikely they would find a perfect bolt body to use and do a really good job of matching fonts and suffix up, they are very close to right but look a little off to me, - in short impossible to tell with these pictures.
 
I agree with whoever is saying it looks correct, the only questions I have are: if this stock and everything are right, wouldn't the bands be as well? And with the matching magazine, wouldn't that be indicative of the floorplate and trigger guard being actual factory error? Especially with the e/623 stamp on the capture screws
 
Uh, no... bands would be serialed to match if original, no exceptions as far as I am concerned, like the bolts they could be e/623 or e/77 parts but they would be serialed to match. Obviously, one would think without saying, that if the TG group is mismatched, if it does not match the original serial number, it is not factory original. Being correct parts means nothing by itself, one can make up any scenario they like to explain the good fortune of "proper parts", but mismatched is mismatched to most discriminating collectors.

Even "factory mismatched" typically takes a hit, but this is far too early for such flights of fancy, - SDP was an incredibly poorly run corporation during the war, the model of National Socialism, but they didn't entirely dispense with quality control until 1944 or so, but even had they it doesn't change the fact that mismatched is mismatched and typically collectors are rather hard to convince when it is their own money (it will hurt the value, the more doubt the more it will hurt).

skeebinz said:
...the only questions I have are: if this stock and everything are right, wouldn't the bands be as well? And with the matching magazine, wouldn't that be indicative of the floorplate and trigger guard being actual factory error? Especially with the e/623 stamp on the capture screws
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