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Bergmann LMG 15 n.A.

chrisftk

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Hi All,

I was fortunate to stumble on a rather scarce air-cooled Imperial MG and thought I'd share it here given the limited availability of good studies on these.

This example has been welded/ deactivated to the barbaric BATFE specs, but is largely complete and almost entirely matching. It is missing the feedblock sadly, but given that it is a deactivated display, not really upset.

The LMG 15 series were made by Bergmann to fill the need for a light machine-gun. The first iteration, the LMG 15, later the LMG 15 a.A. (alter Art / old Model) fired from an open bolt and had several shortcomings. In 1917 Bergmann later revised the model with a number of changes-- closed bolt firing, moving the rather flimsy barrel-mounted bipod to the receiver (used an 08/15 style mount on this version), added a provision for a drum hanger and a few other small changes. This was designated the LMG 15 n.A. (neuer Art / new Model)- this was a considerable improvement, arguably superior to the cumbersome 08/15 and a true light machine-gun. Unfortunately, production complexity/the relative ease of 08/15 production and other pressures kept production very low-- only 5000 were thought to have been produced across both variants.

Further, the known examples were later concentrated in the same theater for logistical reasons. The Bergmanns were sent to the eastern front (I beleive to an Austrian army group), which combined with their low production makes them quite difficult to find today.
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Wow. When placed next to the MG 08/15, the LMG 15 really seems like a slim, svelte, machine gun. It really drives home that the Germans were really pushing the concept of universal machine gun usage as early as 1915. I wonder what them troops that received them thought about them? With WWI's Eastern Front being a relatively mobile war, I could see troops in the field coming to appreciate a very lightweight and highly mobile support weapon.
 
Coolest thing I’ve seen in a long while!!
Thanks Clay-- it was buried in a large auction, so i think it flew below the radar. I was very pleased!

Wow. When placed next to the MG 08/15, the LMG 15 really seems like a slim, svelte, machine gun. It really drives home that the Germans were really pushing the concept of universal machine gun usage as early as 1915. I wonder what them troops that received them thought about them? With WWI's Eastern Front being a relatively mobile war, I could see troops in the field coming to appreciate a very lightweight and highly mobile support weapon.
My understanding is that the n.A. version was quite well regarded, but limited in success due to the small roll-out and production. The 08/15 was simply cheaper and easier to make with a lot of cross-over to the heavy MGs parts-wise.
 
That is a fine piece, not too many of those running around!

I think this is the first I have seen on the forums.
 
Wow Chris talk about hens teeth, very rare MG in any condition. You find the most interesting pieces. Here is a picture I found of one on a “armored car”. Keep ‘em coming!
 

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What a great find! Congratulations!
Thanks Wolfgang! I appreciate it.
Awesome! Congrats!
That is definitely cool! Pretty sure I'd never even heard of these!
Wicked cool. Never heard of these before. Thanks for sharing Chris!
Thanks guys-- these are definitely scarce and relatively obscure. It was buried in a big sale at one of the major auction houses.
That is a fine piece, not too many of those running around!

I think this is the first I have seen on the forums.
Thanks Paul, there are two live ones on the registry from what I'm told, but maybe a few more demills like this.

I can't get over how much handier it is that the "light" mg08/15.
Wow Chris talk about hens teeth, very rare MG in any condition. You find the most interesting pieces. Here is a picture I found of one on a “armored car”. Keep ‘em coming!
Rick, thank you! I appreciate the pic. Not a lot of shots of these in theater.
 
This one to the top as well. Should these be stickied or added to the reference thread already at the top? Or perhaps I missed them ......
 
I just stumbled across this post and am very excited to have found it. The "dummy" gun (#3539) that is the subject of this thread came out of Morphy's December, 2021 auction . . . I remember considering that offering and discussing it with Morphy's NFA guy (John Keene); I'm happy to see that it found a good home!

I've got LMG15 n.A #3645 in my collection . . . it is live and fully functional, originally NFA registered on September 22, 1934 by somone in Sabine, Ohio (who indicted on the registration form that he acquired it c. 1926-1927). I have no history of #3645 prior to that time, but I do know that #3645 passed through Dolf Goldsmith's hands c. 1991 when he offered it for sale in an ad published in Shotgun News. The SGN ad mentions the gun being equipped "with rare trench mount." Such "trench mount" was not with #3645 when I acquired it and the current location of the mount is uncertain. #3645 was also missing its feedblock and barrel when I acquired it, but I got really lucky and found a fantastic mostly-matching and 99% complete parts kit (#5609); I utilized the barrel and feed block from #5609 to restore #3645 back to functional condition.

The other known registered LMG15 n.A here in the U.S. is #1786 and came out of the Richard "Dick" Wray collection a number of years ago; it is owned by a friend-of-a-friend.

Super interesting guns and I find them fascinating to discuss (and, in particular, I really enjoy searching for original WWI-era photos of these guns in military service). By my count there are about 35 or so of complete LMG 15n.A guns known to exist, most of which are in European museum collections. A handful are in private hands in Australia, France and the US.

Included in the photos I have attached is a period photo of an LMG15 n.A with an improvised mount . . . . perhaps the "rare trench mount" that Goldsmith described in his SGN ad as being with #3645 was something similar to what is seen in the period photo? I can see the advantages of the improvised mount; it looks like a substantially more stable shooting platform than the LMG 08/15 bipods provide.

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BTW: I just spent about 45 minutes pulling together the above post and uploading 6 photos to share . . . the photos indicted that they were 100% loaded, but for reasons unknow to me do not appear in the thread. If anyone has thoughts on what happened with my botched photo uploading attempt please let me know; I would be happy to make a second attempt at posting the photos. In fact, I'll try again . . . here is a single photo (912 KB in size); perhaps it will show up.
 
BTW: I just spent about 45 minutes pulling together the above post and uploading 6 photos to share . . . the photos indicted that they were 100% loaded, but for reasons unknow to me do not appear in the thread. If anyone has thoughts on what happened with my botched photo uploading attempt please let me know; I would be happy to make a second attempt at posting the photos. In fact, I'll try again
Alan, you should be good to go. I added the photos you emailed to me to your first reply!
 

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