BCD 4 Romanian capture?

zperkey2003

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Seen this earlier and wondered if this was a Romanian or Yugo capture. Bolt is numbered on many parts, along with other parts such as the front band, rear band, barrel, and trigger guard. This is unusual I thought for Yugo rifles. Also the original markings were left, and the stock doesn’t look heavily sanded. The vertical numbers on the stock were the only thing that tipped me off that it might be Yugo. What do you guys think? The green paint on the washer is definitely odd as well.

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I would need to see more photos. See the Romanian section on Page 1 of my old post now on TB.Lots of photos and example shown. Attributes given for both Yugo and Romanian K98K examples. I see some defacements. Balkan rifles have a unique style of defacement to the German inspection marks and dirty birds. Please see the old link. If the stock is correct it could be a very early Partisan Yugo re work. The stock numbers are a Yugo thing.... the stock’s serial number application is a dead give away to a Yugo rebuild. Similar to a Russian Capture, it is found deeply stamped into the left side of the stock between the take down washer and the butt plate; however, its position is vertical, parallel to the butt plate. In contrast, on the Russian capture it is located horizontal and parallel to the barrel. Read the link and take your best shot. I just figured out how additional photos are shown. Sounds like an interesting specimen. Odd most numbers do not match? I tend to think parts rifle, Stock numbers look non stamped, sort of hand engraved? Is that number on the stock stamped?
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I did not see the arrow to advance photos till I put the cursor on the photo. I wonder if the inside stock numbers match the barrel? A tricky rifle- I have no idea because it does not have common attributes or either specimen. Can we see a close up of the stock serial number imprint.
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100% a romainian used rifle. The stock serial number is romainian. Even though it is reminiscent of a yugo stock serial, my romainian ce 41 has a vertical serial aswell.
 
bnz41john said:
100% a romainian used rifle. The stock serial number is romainian. Even though it is reminiscent of a yugo stock serial, my romainian ce 41 has a vertical serial aswell.
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Would you reckon is restamped or are those are the original serials?
 
zperkey2003 said:
Would you reckon is restamped or are those are the original serials?
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Germans never numbered on the side of the buttstock.

Romainians/russians/yugoslavians Did it so that you could tell quickly without taking the gun apart that the stock was matched to the rifle.

In the case of the romainian "captured" rifles, they more often then not actually do have the matching stocks.
 
bnz41john said:
Germans never numbered on the side of the buttstock.

Romainians/russians/yugoslavians Did it so that you could tell quickly without taking the gun apart that the stock was matched to the rifle.

In the case of the romainian "captured" rifles, they more often then not actually do have the matching stocks.
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My apologies, I was referring more to the metal parts on the gun and if they were re-serialized or not. I’m not very knowledgeable on k98 fonts.
 

bnz41john is your Romanian capture documented with photos in any link?​


PLEASE, Might we see some of it attributes and some photos of your Romanian K98k when you have some time.
 
I am not aware if anyone was able to positively identify who did the various post war work. Some things I've seen are they hit only the swazi itself with a like sized pin punch leaving the eagles intact. Others are as above with multiple pin pricks or punch marks obscuring the entire acceptance or FP. These almost always seemed to be 'mostly matching' but with heavy finish loss also as above. Much of the exposed metal often had near zero original bluing left.
 
zperkey2003 said:
Seen this earlier and wondered if this was a Romanian or Yugo capture. Bolt is numbered on many parts, along with other parts such as the front band, rear band, barrel, and trigger guard. This is unusual I thought for Yugo rifles. Also the original markings were left, and the stock doesn’t look heavily sanded. The vertical numbers on the stock were the only thing that tipped me off that it might be Yugo. What do you guys think? The green paint on the washer is definitely odd as well.

https://imgur.com/a/EMZp3Y7
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the style of defacement is consistent with what is typically referred to as Romanian on this forum by many members. I have a dot 44 shooter defaced in a similar way, but stock is mm so that piece of the puzzle is lost. mine has 4 round punch marks on the fps, 3 smaller dots on the acceptances on right receiver, & scuffed the e63 top final w/a file, a ‘44 ai block. (no, not posted on the net)
there do seem to be differences among nations as to how/if the markings were altered. some look to have been done by the end user individual.

the green disc, is the paint metallic, it kinda looks it to me? either way, I don’t think that was “in period” done.
 
Some of these Romanian used guns can actually be mostly matching, which can make them somewhat more interesting and desirable. I have one that's matching, except for the bolt and handguard. They can also be complete mixmasters, so take a look.
 
I hope the OP shows a clear photo of the stock serial number. Please is it stamped or inscribed?
Please bnz41john show photos of your rifle and its attributes. I'd love to see the serial number stock stamp on your Romanian. Most I see are almost matching, defaced, and no serial number on the stock. A new attribute now seen on two rifles. I must add to the TB post and will link to your post if that is Ok. Another well documented example would be fantastic.
 
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72usmc said:
I hope the OP shows a clear photo of the stock serial number. Please is it stamped or inscribed?
Please bnz41john show photos of your rifle and its attributes. I'd love to see the serial number stock stamp on your Romanian. Most I see are almost matching, defaced, and no serial number on the stock. A new attribute now seen on two rifles. I must add to the TB post and will link to your post if that is Ok. Another well documented example would be fantastic.
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This piece is on GB currently. Not trying out op just sharing the info. Thought it looked familiar as I looked the other day at it.
 
Found it, a poor picture, but with some work this is the best I got. It does look stamped on the right side . Edges of numbers look ragged. But it appears a few Romanian types are stamped with the barrel/bolt serial number if matching after the redo on this Balkan rifle. An attribute I did not know existed on these specimens. Its serial number is found deeply stamped into the left side of the stock between the take down washer and the butt plate, its position is vertical, parallel to the butt plate. similar to a Yugo rebuild. It has a nice finish like my dog. It is listed as "German gustloff were bcd 1944 Mauser 8mm 23 "

German Gustloff Werke bcd 1944 Mod 98 Mauser 8mm 23” C&R The serial number on the receiver, barrel, barrel bands, floor plate, butt stock and butt plate is 5371. The serial number on the bolt handle and safety does not match.​

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curious that they’d bother to number the butt plate, though my French-used kriegsmodell stock w/added sling bar has a number stamped on its cupped bp in the same font as the barrel channel, font unlike ‘original factory’.
 
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