antique store scope covers

[mdarnell19]

Hello Dave. I got these covers a year or so ago. They were on a Kahles H4X60 Scope. They are ink stamped for WaA. They fit over the Arctic Sun Shade.

There is a set of the black covers like the OP that fit BMJ Single Claw that sort of fit the CAD with Arctic Sun Shade. Most of the black covers are suppose to fit BEK and BMJ with sunshade with the exception of BMJ SC. The BMJ SC covers seem to be more rare.

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I’m curious to hear what the others think but Brian, I’m not crazy about the rifle serial number on your front scope ring. Doesn’t look correct to me. Can you please post close up pictures? Maybe it’s just the pictures but I’m not getting good vibes from those numbers.

What are others thoughts?

 

[Hercules]

Hello Matt. I don't know what your talking about in reference to the numbers. I hope all is well as I have not heard from you in months. Give me a call sometime when you get time.

 

[mdarnell19]

Hello Matt. I don't know what your talking about in reference to the numbers. I hope all is well as I have not heard from you in months. Give me a call sometime when you get time.

Here is a comparison picture I made real quick comparing your scope's numbers to others. To my eye, the numbers look faked. I am curious to hear what others opinions are as I am by no means the end all be all opinion. I could be wrong. If you can, please post better pictures. We can move this to it's own thread also.

 

[Hercules]

Sorry. I’m not really that interested in this. Feel free to go on with this if your so inclined.

The rifle is not for sale.

 

[mdarnell19]

Sorry. I’m not really that interested in this. Feel free to go on with this if your so inclined.

The rifle is not for sale.

You are not interested in discussing this? I am merely attempting to have a discussion about an item. We talk all the time about how German snipers are a mine field. Well this is how we combat that. By being willing to discuss items in our collections. It doesn't matter who owns the item.

Look at the helmet collectors here. This is the way a forum should work. Open and free exchange of ideas and information.

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And not for sale? I am not sure how that is relevant. Again, I am curious to know others opinions and what your opinion is. Perhaps it looks different in hand. Not sure why you are so unwilling to discuss this. Your opinion is valued here

 

[CanadianAR]

I would like to see better photos of the covers, the stitching on the inside of the round part and outside.

Also Brian, I do see what Matt is talking about on the scope numbers …..what’s the harm in posting more photos of the numbering?

 

[Hercules]

I would like to see better photos of the covers, the stitching on the inside of the round part and outside.

Also Brian, I do see what Matt is talking about on the scope numbers …..what’s the harm in posting more photos of the numbering?

I don’t have anything to prove or gain from this. If you don’t like then that’s fine. I know it’s good. I post what I want and what I’m interested in doing. To me this is old news.

I bought this rifle from Dave. I have shown it to Bruce when he put it in the book. Also, Mike looked at it at SOS when Dave bought it.

 

[CanadianAR]

I was referring to the OP covers.

No problem otherwise.

 

[Hercules]

Matt it’s fine to ask questions, but you really don’t know what your talking about. I’m not going out my way to take more photos for you right now. That’s what I mean by not interested.

 

[CanadianAR]

And I said that’s fine, the covers I was exerting to were the OPs

 

[mrfarb]

I did indeed see this at the SOS, and I’ll say now what I said then. The base rifle is 100% real and very nice early 1944 high turret. I did not then or now vouch for the scope numbers, as even now I don’t know all of the tiny variation in scope serial numbering at Mauser. For example we now know they recycled scope rings etc. Me personally, I see the concern from these photos about the serial numbers on the rings and if I owned it would certainly do my own in depth comparisons to known originals to figure it out. Nobody is 100% infallible.

 

[bruce98k]

I see no reason for not vetting the scope numbers. This rifle is pictured in Volume II but I did not show a closeup of the scope ring serial. If I had a rifle in my collection with some questionable aspect I for one would want to know.

 

[learjet]

heres some more pix of the caps, if you want more just ask. Happy to contribute here when i can

edit, pix kinda grainy, had to reduce their size. i can try again later if needed

 

[Hercules]

I see no reason for not vetting the scope numbers. This rifle is pictured in Volume II but I did not show a closeup of the scope ring serial. If I had a rifle in my collection with some questionable aspect I for one would want to know.

Here you go. Its hard to do as it is 32 degrees outside right now. I did my best with these.

Edit: I added a couple more photos with white stuff out.

 

[Absolut]

First of all, I think now it is time to separate this discussion to another thread to do not ruin Gene's excellent leather scope caps for the discussion of Brians scope (if Brian is fine with that).

Second, Brian I'm very sure the scope rings on your scope are original WWII. And I also think they are original matching to the rifle. What seems though, they were scrubbed and the serial was reapplied. See the ghost serials under it that are the same serial. Also it seems the surface has a different structure in the area where the numbers were stamped, and the bottom area. I know this will be tough to impossible, but if you look at the ring rather from front and rear, will the area where the serial was applied nevertheless be part of a circle, or would you think there was material removed/filed off?

Finally, this doesn't make much sense to me. Why would someone scrub the serial only to apply the same serial again? Was it such poorly struck? Was a part of it damaged and if yes would someone therefore bother to reapply it? Or was the rifle sent back for repair, the scope was replaced/repaired and during that a maybe damaged serial being reapplied?

 

[Hercules]

Finally, this doesn't make much sense to me. Why would someone scrub the serial only to apply the same serial again? Was it such poorly struck? Was a part of it damaged and if yes would someone therefore bother to reapply it? Or was the rifle sent back for repair, the scope was replaced/repaired and during that a maybe damaged serial being reapplied?

I never questioned the numbers on this scope before. Life was busy and I bought this from a knowledgeable source about 8-9 years ago. The ring is symmetrical and has the WR proof with that H process stamp on top. The white stuff will hide imperfections. It is what it is. The numbers are similar to some, but I'm not sure how others view them. A more in-depth comparison of early scopes maybe, but I have seen examples that look different from this. I would not say these numbers are like most others as there are rough edges. The font is similar in my opinion. Always clean the white stuff out.

 

[Hercules]

First of all, I think now it is time to separate this discussion to another thread to do not ruin Gene's excellent leather scope caps for the discussion of Brians scope (if Brian is fine with that).

Georg. I don't care if there is a separate thread. As with all things in life it is what it is. I added better photos.

 

[bruce98k]

I plan on a trip down to see Brian and his dad and will check this rifle out in person.
Will update on the results. Seeing a rifle in hand will help out in my appraisal.