nahpatronen
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Does anyone have an opinion on this ??
No WaA - no serial number - no stop catch ??
No WaA - no serial number - no stop catch ??
An unmarked scope mount
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mauser99
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no way of being 100% certain from those photos. My guess is fake mount with real lever the rest stripped out.
nahpatronen
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The front part of the base has been cut off ? I am trying to get more photos - and a reply about how long time he has had it. I understand that he has given the police several G43 in a gun amnesty last year. (I told him he should have kept all the legal parts such as the stock, bolts etc.)
See below another scope / mount believed to be genuine.
See below another scope / mount believed to be genuine.
GunKraut
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I guess you're right about the stripped out parts. Once you zoom in, you can see the retaining hole for the latch spring. So, it's NOT a very early mount as I initially suspected.
gergnotwen
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Look Here...
The attached photo is an early square end mount example stamped with both the rifle serial as well as the scope serial number (matching the scope to this specific mount). Look at the area where the red arrow is... If you don't see machining marks that look like this I would be VERY cautious. Looks like a hacksaw was used at the one end
The attached photo is an early square end mount example stamped with both the rifle serial as well as the scope serial number (matching the scope to this specific mount). Look at the area where the red arrow is... If you don't see machining marks that look like this I would be VERY cautious. Looks like a hacksaw was used at the one end
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gergnotwen
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No Arguement Here...
Gunkraut, I do not disagree with you in the least as I see it too. I am simply pointing out that if a potential buyer wanted to check to see if may have started life as a real mount to look at the location I pointed out on what is a real early production mount. The characteristic machining marks are for the most part absent in fakes and cheap castings at this location.
The photos are poor and we may never know if it was really a square end type or round end as someone appears to have tested their hacksaw skills with at least at the one end. If this is what is left of an original mount then it would be a good candidate for Darrin Weavers call for a sacrificial mount for metallurgical testing to confirm if they were originally cast or forged as outlined in his book "Hitler's Garand's". From my perspective it is just some parts that would probably help a collector missing an original locking lever and clamp screw out there. Unless someone can prove different, it looks like a Bubba'd up mess including the one band screw. Scope and eye cup are ok though...
Gunkraut, I do not disagree with you in the least as I see it too. I am simply pointing out that if a potential buyer wanted to check to see if may have started life as a real mount to look at the location I pointed out on what is a real early production mount. The characteristic machining marks are for the most part absent in fakes and cheap castings at this location.
The photos are poor and we may never know if it was really a square end type or round end as someone appears to have tested their hacksaw skills with at least at the one end. If this is what is left of an original mount then it would be a good candidate for Darrin Weavers call for a sacrificial mount for metallurgical testing to confirm if they were originally cast or forged as outlined in his book "Hitler's Garand's". From my perspective it is just some parts that would probably help a collector missing an original locking lever and clamp screw out there. Unless someone can prove different, it looks like a Bubba'd up mess including the one band screw. Scope and eye cup are ok though...
nahpatronen
Senior Member
I have asked the owner of this mount about more pictures and information - but no reply. It's my feeling he has had the parts the last 30 - 40 years. The vandalism of the mount is typical for the period up to about 1960. I have had another 214 mount, which was cut into 2 pieces.
Interesting with gergnotwens remarks on machining marks.
Interesting with gergnotwens remarks on machining marks.
Heres a different thought-
If you look at the area I circled in your photoghraph, the milled out oval nearly goes out the back of the mount. This mount may not have passed inspection tolerances, therefore was never waffenamt as aproved. It is conceivable that this mount would slide far enough forward that the locking lever would be useless and the front end of the mount pressing hard against the stock making it an unstable platform. What you are seeing are the measures needed to adapt it for use. Cut off the front end relieving pressure on the stock and mount, then remove the locking lever because it either does not line up to work properly for fit or it never set well to begin with. Close-up pictures of the front end that was cut off would be interesting to see.
As for Gergs comments, they are true to a point. Those indicators are true but not the only thing. Many mounts do not show the milling marks, especially later war ones. It all depends on the miller and the depth of the tool.
Just a different perspective.
If you look at the area I circled in your photoghraph, the milled out oval nearly goes out the back of the mount. This mount may not have passed inspection tolerances, therefore was never waffenamt as aproved. It is conceivable that this mount would slide far enough forward that the locking lever would be useless and the front end of the mount pressing hard against the stock making it an unstable platform. What you are seeing are the measures needed to adapt it for use. Cut off the front end relieving pressure on the stock and mount, then remove the locking lever because it either does not line up to work properly for fit or it never set well to begin with. Close-up pictures of the front end that was cut off would be interesting to see.
As for Gergs comments, they are true to a point. Those indicators are true but not the only thing. Many mounts do not show the milling marks, especially later war ones. It all depends on the miller and the depth of the tool.
Just a different perspective.
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