1939 243 Borsigwalde

[joryfreeburg]

Here is a rifle that I have had for a little bit and just getting around to posting the photos. I really enjoy looking at other members threads where photos of their rifles are shown. That’s reason that I usually post most of the rifles that are in my collection. Please ask if you want to see something that I didn’t photo and I will provide the photo. All comments are always appreciated by me..

 

[joryfreeburg]

More of the metal….

 

[joryfreeburg]

Here is the wood:

 

[CanadianAR]

Looks like a good gun. Interestingly I have a t block 3000 later and it’s M marked stock and Nordsee marked

 

[Guillaume d'Orange]

Thanks Jory for the detailed pics as always of this very nice rifle.
Have you checked the ink mark behind the buttplate ?
Does somebody know the meaning of the « P » on the underside of the buttstock ? A marking specific to MB ?

 

[Muncher 1953]

from reading “the books” & this forum I’ve learned that “generally speaking”, the ‘P’ (1939 being ‘relatively’ early in production of laminated stocks) indicated a phenol based glue for the laminated stock. A ‘C’ may indicate casein based glue, (not as waterproof as the phenol based variety, later use was discontinued) though in later years, particularly in the case of Gustloff assembled rifles, a ‘C’ indicated their supplier of stocks, Menzel, previously a maker of laminated plywood furniture. As is often the case is this field of study, the context has a lot to do with the meaning of marks found……..
(edit: gustloff stock supplier spelling)

 

[Muncher 1953]

Here is the wood:

thanks for sharing & the excellent photos ! (as is usual)

 

[Remfan]

Sure looks like a nice rifle. Mine is a 243 but a 1940 Borsigwalde. Does have the "P" on stock also. Thanks for the fine pics.

 

[joryfreeburg]

Thanks Jory for the detailed pics as always of this very nice rifle.
Have you checked the ink mark behind the buttplate ?
Does somebody know the meaning of the « P » on the underside of the buttstock ? A marking specific to MB ?

I was able to get around to checking under the buttplate today… the 39 is legible.

 

[mauser202]

Beautiful rifle, man that bolt cut out is crisp.

 

[Stephan98k]

Jory, thank you very much for all the photos and for checking under the buttplate.

It looks like calendar week 24, the stock completion date was between June 12, 1939 and June 18, 1939.

 

[Stephan98k]

Thanks Jory for the detailed pics as always of this very nice rifle.
Have you checked the ink mark behind the buttplate ?
Does somebody know the meaning of the « P » on the underside of the buttstock ? A marking specific to MB ?

It's not specific for Mauser Berlin, also Mauser Oberndorf, Erma/Feima and Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik K98ks have this marking.

Here is the link to a thread about this topic: Letter "P" and letter "K" marking on K98k stocks

@Andrew
You can find all branches in the "t" block of Mauser Berlin 1939 production, Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine.

 

[trinxet]

FANTASTIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MaxBerlin]

It's not specific for Mauser Berlin, also Mauser Oberndorf, Erma/Feima and Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik K98ks have this marking.

Here is the link to a thread about this topic: Letter "P" and letter "K" marking on K98k stocks

@Andrew
You can find all branches in the "t" block of Mauser Berlin 1939 production, Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine.

Mine ar41 had also letter "P" marking on stock.

 

[korea1950]

Jory, Nice rifle as usual from your collection. I really love these "pre-war" rifles as I am sure that other members do as well. All of the parts were serial numbered inside and outside which allows the collector to know that he has an all-matching rifle (provided that nothing has been messed with). Also, all of the parts on these rifles were milled and not stamped and the attention to fit and finish was usually of higher quality given that the war was not in full swing yet. A fine example of German arms manufacturing.

 

[bluebillow]

This baby is now mine. Sitting tight in my safe.

 

[Jdt]

This baby is now mine. Sitting tight in my safe.

Very nice! Hopefully I'll find one myself one day. I really don't need more years to add to my collection cause of cost and I can only imagine what you paid to get that example! Worth every penny tho!

 

[joryfreeburg]

Fine rifle, Jory - very fine rifle. While you have your camera out could you take a photo of the tip-end of the rear action screw?

I have a 243/1939 with all matching metal but a mismatched stock. The stock was originally on MB Rifle 2611e bearing stock date “2.47.39” and a small unreadable stamping below it. This stock was made probably 7-8 months after the barreled action it came to me on, so very likely originally went on a 1940 rifle. It is stamped “P” behind the stock knob.

Even with mismatched rifles there is much we can learn.

My ax/1940 has P aft of the knob. Don’t know the stock code or date as I haven’t taken the action out yet due to some test-firing I am doing. Let you know later about that.

I let this rifle go a couple years back if memory serves…. Looks like bluebillow is the current owner…. Congrats to him, it’s a nice rifle

 

[MaxBerlin]

Sure looks like a nice rifle. Mine is a 243 but a 1940 Borsigwalde. Does have the "P" on stock also. Thanks for the fine pics.

mine ar41 has also an P stock..

edit later: as i learned its glue related i have always missed this information!