1937 Ch.D.A marked K98

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clm128

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Hi all, First time poster on this forum. Looking to buy my first K98 and i came accross this for sale online by a dealer in Canada. I dont have a picture of the full gun although i seen it on the original post and it seems to be in good condition. I asked for pictures of the markings and that is what im able to share with you. I madfe some research on the marking Ch.d.a and leaned this was most likely used to train hitlers youth or as a brown shirt weapon. I was hopeing someone here would be able to give me a little more insight if this is correct or not as well has help me figure out a faire market price as it seems to be a little more rare. Finally these are the pictures i asked for and received but if someone could guide me a bit on how to spot a fake and other things i should ask to see that would be really helpfull.

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Not correct or original. That is an 1937 ERMA rifle put into an earlier banner stock. Finger grooves and the stamp on the stock tell you it's from an earlier Mauser banner rifle.

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BSchiebs said:
Not correct or original. That is an 1937 ERMA rifle put into an earlier banner stock. Finger grooves and the stamp on the stock tell you it's from an earlier Mauser banner rifle.

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Thanks for the info, I also herd back from the seller this morning and he confirmed the bolt does not match. From the limited research i could find online the "Ch.d.a" markings where done between 1933-1934, can you confirm that? The seller is asking 3500$ in this condition CAD or around 2500 USD today. in your opinion what should this rifle in this condition go for and do you believe its worth spending the extra money over buying something like a RC at 1500 CAD?


Thanks again
 
clm128 said:
Thanks for the info, I also herd back from the seller this morning and he confirmed the bolt does not match. From the limited research i could find online the "Ch.d.a" markings where done between 1933-1934, can you confirm that? The seller is asking 3500$ in this condition CAD or around 2500 USD today. in your opinion what should this rifle in this condition go for and do you believe its worth spending the extra money over buying something like a RC at 1500 CAD?


Thanks again
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Im a newish collector like you and I’m also Canadian. There is no way I would pay 3500 for this thing. Having a mismatched bolt and and stock are big problems, and that stock is incorrect to boot. If this was a good S/27 up in canada then I would think it would bring 3k-4k no problem (maybe more), but like this, maybe 1500? Maybe... Collectors (myself included haha) have very little interest in rifles like this, all mixed up and incorrect. And as for your second question, it really comes down to, what do you want your K98 for?
 
clm128 said:
Thanks for the info, I also herd back from the seller this morning and he confirmed the bolt does not match. From the limited research i could find online the "Ch.d.a" markings where done between 1933-1934, can you confirm that? The seller is asking 3500$ in this condition CAD or around 2500 USD today. in your opinion what should this rifle in this condition go for and do you believe its worth spending the extra money over buying something like a RC at 1500 CAD?


Thanks again
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Insanity. That stock is from that 1933-34 range yeah, but a put together rifle like this is MAYBE worth $700 US at the absolute highest end. The rifle has mild pitting all over it looks like and its just put together from random parts. I would certainly not spend that. My recommendation is not to touch it. That's a shocking price.

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hale1940 said:
Im a newish collector like you and I’m also Canadian. There is no way I would pay 3500 for this thing. Having a mismatched bolt and and stock are big problems, and that stock is incorrect to boot. If this was a good S/27 up in canada then I would think it would bring 3k-4k no problem (maybe more), but like this, maybe 1500? Maybe... Collectors (myself included haha) have very little interest in rifles like this, all mixed up and incorrect. And as for your second question, it really comes down to, what do you want your K98 for?
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I'd say 1500 is still shockingly high. A pristine banner would bring around 3k. This hunk of parts? No chance to someone who knows something. 1500 is enough for a more common matching example.

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BSchiebs said:
I'd say 1500 is still shockingly high. A pristine banner would bring around 3k. This hunk of parts? No chance to someone who knows something. 1500 is enough for a more common matching example.

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1500 CAD, which is just over a 1000 US. Ive definitely see mismatched (non-capture) rifles go for that 1000-1500 CAD up here.
 
hale1940 said:
Oh totally, I would not buy one for that. Just saying what realistically they go for on the Canadian market.
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Ive actually been seeing RC for 1000 to 1500 right now. Since covid everything has shot up. I figured this gun here would be a bit better then a RC as far as collectability but after reading the comments here and seeing its all mismatched i think ill pass.

As far as what im looking for, nothing crazy. Something i can shoot but still has a bit of collecter appeal, and ideal nazi markings. I started looking at the RC just for that, i knlw collectors dont care for them because they are not matched but to me they are still a part of hostory and there is a story behind their mismatchingness... if thats a word haha. Same with this gun, if theres a story behind why it was missmatched it still interest me but not at 3.5k.
 
clm128 said:
Ive actually been seeing RC for 1000 to 1500 right now. Since covid everything has shot up. I figured this gun here would be a bit better then a RC as far as collectability but after reading the comments here and seeing its all mismatched i think ill pass.

As far as what im looking for, nothing crazy. Something i can shoot but still has a bit of collecter appeal, and ideal nazi markings. I started looking at the RC just for that, i knlw collectors dont care for them because they are not matched but to me they are still a part of hostory and there is a story behind their mismatchingness... if thats a word haha. Same with this gun, if theres a story behind why it was missmatched it still interest me but not at 3.5k.
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Understood and pricing is hard to gauge and is not totally objective OR subjective. The rifle in question would have historical collectibility IF one could be sure it was assembled by the Germans during the war. Unfortunately there are unscrupulous folks who assemble Frankenstein guns out of parts. The result has no historical bearing and usually ends up hurting someone (when they get ripped off) and then the town comes after it with torches and pitchforks when it shows up HERE.

If you are looking for a good honest rifle, keep your eye on the trader section right here in this forum. Frankensteins don’t last long there, we villagers are pretty good at finding them before anyone gets hurt. Outside of here, it’s tough to judge the morals of others from a distance and where money is involved. Good entry level guns come up all the time, as active collectors seem to always be selling something to buy something else!!! R/C guns are often sold to use as reenactor pieces or for shooting, and you’ll see them for decent prices. Nothing wrong with R/C guns so long as you understand the bigger picture of collecting K98s. That’s why to us they aren’t worth nearly as much as guns with originality. There’s enough K98s around for everyone though so keep looking and don’t worry, you’ll find a good one at a good price!


The gun in question: RUN AWAY. There’s no telling what’s going on with it, but it’s all bad.


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M1903A3 said:
Understood and pricing is hard to gauge and is not totally objective OR subjective. The rifle in question would have historical collectibility IF one could be sure it was assembled by the Germans during the war. Unfortunately there are unscrupulous folks who assemble Frankenstein guns out of parts. The result has no historical bearing and usually ends up hurting someone (when they get ripped off) and then the town comes after it with torches and pitchforks when it shows up HERE.

If you are looking for a good honest rifle, keep your eye on the trader section right here in this forum. Frankensteins don’t last long there, we villagers are pretty good at finding them before anyone gets hurt. Outside of here, it’s tough to judge the morals of others from a distance and where money is involved. Good entry level guns come up all the time, as active collectors seem to always be selling something to buy something else!!! R/C guns are often sold to use as reenactor pieces or for shooting, and you’ll see them for decent prices. Nothing wrong with R/C guns so long as you understand the bigger picture of collecting K98s. That’s why to us they aren’t worth nearly as much as guns with originality. There’s enough K98s around for everyone though so keep looking and don’t worry, you’ll find a good one at a good price!


The gun in question: RUN AWAY. There’s no telling what’s going on with it, but it’s all bad.


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Got it! Thanks a lot. I will pass on this one and i will be patient to find something nice. Hopefully something pops up in canada.

Thanks again
 
M1903A3 said:
Understood and pricing is hard to gauge and is not totally objective OR subjective. The rifle in question would have historical collectibility IF one could be sure it was assembled by the Germans during the war. Unfortunately there are unscrupulous folks who assemble Frankenstein guns out of parts. The result has no historical bearing and usually ends up hurting someone (when they get ripped off) and then the town comes after it with torches and pitchforks when it shows up HERE.

If you are looking for a good honest rifle, keep your eye on the trader section right here in this forum. Frankensteins don’t last long there, we villagers are pretty good at finding them before anyone gets hurt. Outside of here, it’s tough to judge the morals of others from a distance and where money is involved. Good entry level guns come up all the time, as active collectors seem to always be selling something to buy something else!!! R/C guns are often sold to use as reenactor pieces or for shooting, and you’ll see them for decent prices. Nothing wrong with R/C guns so long as you understand the bigger picture of collecting K98s. That’s why to us they aren’t worth nearly as much as guns with originality. There’s enough K98s around for everyone though so keep looking and don’t worry, you’ll find a good one at a good price!


The gun in question: RUN AWAY. There’s no telling what’s going on with it, but it’s all bad.


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This one here just poped up. It is being advertised as an 1937 erma with all matching numbers except the bolt. The price is much lower than the first gun i posted. (this one is asking 2k). this one was not in the trader section but What do you guys think?


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2k canadian? Not bad imo. If thats somewhere in the neighborhood of 1300 US then thats probably fair. Looks like an honest bolt mismatch in pretty decent condition. I like these early ones.

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its a bit more than 1300 USD i geuss, But the gun seems to be what im looking for: something i can shoot, not a RC, in my price range with some collectability. If the more experienced members here feel it could be a good buy i think it could be a good first k98 for me.

Thanks again
 
clm128 said:
its a bit more than 1300 USD i geuss, But the gun seems to be what im looking for: something i can shoot, not a RC, in my price range with some collectability. If the more experienced members here feel it could be a good buy i think it could be a good first k98 for me.

Thanks again
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This looks to be a more interesting buy. Love the stock. 2k CAD still seems a little steep to me though, but not insane. I would see if he would come down a bit first.
 
Curious which Canadian dealer was selling the first overpriced rifle.
Sad but true, recent commercially sold RC’s are $1300+ CDN. I’m curious where Bell or North Sylva are still finding RC’s to sell to dealers.
 
agentcq said:
Curious which Canadian dealer was selling the first overpriced rifle.
Sad but true, recent commercially sold RC’s are $1300+ CDN. I’m curious where Bell or North Sylva are still finding RC’s to sell to dealers.
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I'd be curious to know where they are coming from too. It's really quite unfortunate. You used to see them run pretty easily for $700-$800 CDN, but the prices have been jumping fast, and I think its being spurred on by the stores jacking up all their incoming rifles to around $1500 CDN.
 
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