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1917 Prussian Contract Simson 9015c

chrisftk

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Hi All,

This was an unplanned purchase as my friend was pursuing it originally. Something else popped up last minute for him and I picked up the ball and ran with it. (Didn't want it to go too cheap) After finding out the seller was one of our own, I felt even better that I did. I was happy it looked much better in person too.

This is a nice example of a Prussian contract Simson. While Simson did a number of rifles for the Kingdom of Saxony, the Prussians actually acquired a number later on. The fastest way to tell (without knowing acceptance patterns like a Gew nerd) is the simply look at the cypher on the stock and fire proof on the receiver and bolt.
For comparison:
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Prussian (L) Saxon (R)
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Prussian (L) Saxon (R)


Some may notice that the Prussian fire proof is the Erfurt-style Thuringian eagle. This is due to the Prussian inspectors in Suhl being on loan from Erfurt. (Suhl Consortium rifles also have the same proof)

In any case, this particular rifle is matching less the unnumbered handguard and unmarked action screws. The most notable detraction is that the stock was lightly hit with sanding, though the thick Kroneol finish is still quite good in many places. Unless you really look close, it looks more like just usual beech wood wear and tear.

If you'll note, the receiver face is very lightly struck, in spite of very crisp acceptance and SNs. This is more than likely because the manufacturer stamp was nearing the end of its useful life and was getting dull. I have a couple other rifles with similar light strikes.

The barrel is actually a Saxon-accepted leftover, but has a Prussian proof.

Here is the data:
Receiver 9015 c
Barrel 9015 c (Kr 562)
Front Sight 15
Rear Sight Leaf 15
Sight Slider 15
Ejector Box 15
Trigger Sear 15
Front Barrel Band 15
Rear Barrel Band 15
Trigger Guard 9015
Trigger Guard Screws unmarked, unmarked
Floor Plate 15 (faint)
Follower 15
Stock 9015
Handguard unmarked
Buttplate 9015 c
Bayonet Lug 15
Cleaning Rod none
Bolt Body 9015
Extractor 15
Safety 15
Cocking Piece 15
Bolt Sleeve 15
Firing Pin 15

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Great photos Chris. I didn’t expect to see her up so soon! It’s much improved already. I couldn’t even see the 15 on the floor plate. I’m glad it went to great caretaker. Thanks also for explaining the Prussian connection, I never noticed the difference.
 
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Another screamer Chris… beautiful
Thanks Jory!

Great photos Chris. I didn’t expect to see her up so soon! It’s much improved already. I couldn’t even see the 15 on the floor plate. I’m glad it went to great caretaker. Thanks also for explaining the Prussian connection, I never noticed the difference.
Thanks Rick, it's a nuance, but pretty neat, as this and Oberndorf's Württemberg contracts are the only instances I can recall of multi-state variants from a single manufacturer.

Awesome score and great photos, Chris! I’ll get this in the reference.
For comparison, here’s a Saxon 1917 Simson. It’s neat to see the differing acceptance: https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/gewehr-98-simson-co-suhl-1917-1765a.47288/
Thanks Cyrus! It's a neat side-by-by side for sure. The reference section is really getting some depth now. I really recommend the newer guys spend a lot of time there.
Thorough details provided in this post that I would have otherwise glossed over if I came across this example. Thanks for enlightening us Chris!
Thanks Mark! The little things make a world of difference on this stuff sometimes.
 
This was an excellent snag, Chris! Great write up as well. The ‘17s aren’t frequently encountered. I see like twenty ‘16s to every ‘17, which tells a story about where these must have ended up considering they made the same number in both years.
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The inspection team that did the Prussian Simsons seems to have been borrowed from the guys who were loaned to the Consortium.
 

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