1917 Erfurt DH Luger

[Tjv]

Currently on GB. This to me looks like the type 3 DH (The Suspect Skull) in Ryan E’s study.

 

[Tjv]

Adding 2 more pictures - inclusive of SN

 

[Gringo]

Yes, we were discussing this off-line the other day. Was waiting until the auction closed to post it, since someone here may be bidding on it.

 

[RyanE]

I am not sure I like this one.

- Barrel is original
- Police marked (Schutzpolizei Düsseldorf/Oberhausen)
- Only partially commercially proofed but parts look original to me. (i.e., nothing replaced)
- Skull doesn't look "right".

Just a lot of red flags. I've seen Type 3 DH guns with their original barrels before, but this is why I am not sold on this variation in general. Some are very convincing, some like this one are not.

 

[CLG]

I know nothing about these so my question is asked out of ignorance, but doesn’t the notch on the receiver indicate this was originally an artillery model? Must be a new barrel?

 

[RyanE]

I know nothing about these so my question is asked out of ignorance, but doesn’t the notch on the receiver indicate this was originally an artillery model? Must be a new barrel?

Erfurt cut all of their receivers with the notch starting in 1917 per a directive from the Prussian government. Almost all Erfurt 1917 P08s and all 1918s will have the cut.

DWM, as a private company, was not obligated to follow the directive and didn't. Only DWM LP08s are cut.

 

[CLG]

Ah! That’s why I use the forum for expertise! Many thanks.

 

[Gringo]

Erfurt cut all of their receivers with the notch starting in 1917 per a directive from the Prussian government. Almost all Erfurt 1917 P08s and all 1918s will have the cut.

DWM, as a private company, was not obligated to follow the directive and didn't. Only DWM LP08s are cut.

To add, Erfurt only manufactured artillery (LP08) lugers in 1914.

 

[Bigdibbs88]

Real one IMO, or at least stands a decent chance. Most humpers don’t even notice the commercial markings let alone convincingly fake them. There are a couple other things in this one that give it away as a legit rework. IMO the police markings do nothing to negatively impact the authenticity, the only unusual thing (but certainly not impossible as it’s clearly legit) is that it retains the original army mag.

 

[Gringo]

Final bid was $3325. Around $3600 with taxes and shipping.

 

[T1D.Operator]

From my experience in Lugers (which is limited), but aren't most of the DH/Totenkompf lugers considered fake? Or at least a very HIGH likely hood of being a fake?

The 1917 looks great, but, I'd just worry if it's worth touching just due to the chance of a fake being apparent.

 

[RyanE]

From my experience in Lugers (which is limited), but aren't most of the DH/Totenkompf lugers considered fake? Or at least a very HIGH likely hood of being a fake?

The 1917 looks great, but, I'd just worry if it's worth touching just due to the chance of a fake being apparent.

Review the stickies in this forum. We have a pretty good handle on these (for the most part).

At some point, I will finish my write up on these...

 

[Tjv]

Definitely looking forward to the rest of your write up. I’m still in the boat that these type 3s are too risky to drop several thousand on. I don’t think anyone is saying that these are definitely fake (RyanE having a few type 3s) and I’m sure the new owner of this will be happy with it but it just seems the type 1 and type 2 are more concrete examples.

 

[PizzaBert]

Review the stickies in this forum. We have a pretty good handle on these (for the most part).

At some point, I will finish my write up on these...

i am very excited as well. Would like to see these guns become an accepted, canonized variation.