1914 Amburg with interesting duffle cut repair

[GarrettC]

Hello I picked this up at a gun show a while back it’s matching except the bolt and one screw and has a pretty nice original sling also
I think the vet did a pretty unique repair on it.

https://imgur.com/a/yc8FJwB

 

[30thguy]

Very interesting repair. I got one about the same except it's on the bottom of stock under rear band.

 

[GarrettC]

Very interesting repair. I got one about the same except it's on the bottom of stock under rear band.

Nice I think it adds to the history a bit

 

[Jdt]

Lovely example in my experience ya don't see Amberg made rifles very often. Especially this early.

 

[pzjgr]

Looks to be some pretty extensive blood staining on the stock too...

 

[GarrettC]

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Lovely example in my experience ya don't see Amberg made rifles very often. Especially this e

Lovely example in my experience ya don't see Amberg made rifles very often. Especially this early.

Thanks got any idea how many they made that year?

 

[GarrettC]

Looks to be some pretty extensive blood staining on the stock too...

You think it is? How can you tell?

 

[Jdt]

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Thanks got any idea how many they made that year?

Nope, that would be a question for Loewe. I was commenting that based on just what I've seen over the years of collecting and having a eye for a lot of stuff.

 

[pzjgr]

You think it is? How can you tell?

To me, the staining on the butt and pistol grip area looks like the rifle was laying keel up, and blood dripped downwards, looks like spatter and drips the way I see it..I could be wrong, but thats what it looks like to me...

 

[AN-94]

Congrats on getting a nice early war Amberg! 1914 dated examples are rather uncommon compared to later years given the 4 years of service they would have seen and attrition rates early on. I'm inclined to agree on the idea of blood staining. This one also appears to have never been depot reworked given the lack of a depot marking on the buttplate. The repair is definitely one I've never seen before.

 

[GarrettC]

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To me, the staining on the butt and pistol grip area looks like the rifle was laying keel up, and blood dripped downwards, looks like spatter and drips the way I see it..I could be wrong, but thats what it looks like to me..

I will post more pictures of it when I get done with work

 

[Loewe]

Amberg/14 - at least 15 recorded, high is 581/d; highest indisputable (solid picture display) is 3177/c (Jordan displayed the rifle on this forum, not the probable high but it is the highest well documented'

It is a rather scarce and desirable maker-date, in upper grades especially, most of the 15 known (as of 2020) are dogs or poorly documented, but 1914 was generally a tough year, all pre-war Ambergs are desirable (Amberg was a scanty producer until 1915), 1914 was the highest production year prior to the war.

 

[Loewe]

I just looked it over, nice for this maker-date; bolt is probably out of a DWM, range is tougher but wartime (pre-war bolt data is as rare as finding an honest politician...)

 

[GarrettC]

Amberg/14 - at least 15 recorded, high is 581/d; highest indisputable (solid picture display) is 3177/c (Jordan displayed the rifle on this forum, not the probable high but it is the highest well documented'

It is a rather scarce and desirable maker-date, in upper grades especially, most of the 15 known (as of 2020) are dogs or poorly documented, but 1914 was generally a tough year, all pre-war Ambergs are desirable (Amberg was a scanty producer until 1915), 1914 was the highest production year prior to the war.

Nice thanks for the info, how many do you guess were made that year by amburg? It’s crazy to think there is only 15 known

 

[GarrettC]

I just looked it over, nice for this maker-date; bolt is probably out of a DWM, range is tougher but wartime (pre-war bolt data is as rare as finding an honest politician...)

I was also wandering what grade or condition do you think mine is in?

 

[Jdt]

Congrats on getting a nice early war Amberg! 1914 dated examples are rather uncommon compared to later years given the 4 years of service they would have seen and attrition rates early on. I'm inclined to agree on the idea of blood staining. This one also appears to have never been depot reworked given the lack of a depot marking on the buttplate. The repair is definitely one I've never seen before.

I've seen this style of duffle cut repair only 2 or 3 times. Definitely uncommon to see.

 

[THunter]

As with those commented above. That definitely looks like blood staining…

 

[Loewe]

Nice thanks for the info, how many do you guess were made that year by amburg? It’s crazy to think there is only 15 known

Pretty bizarre reply, but I assume a misunderstanding and your not screwing with me... first it is Amberg as on the receiver, second it's 15 recorded examples over 20 years of collecting data on the subject (basically 1997 through 2022 or so- I have loads of unprocessed data but stopped in 2020-2022 incorporating reports into trends.

Anyway, each block is roughly 10,000 rifles, the Amberg/1914 is solidly confirmed to the mid-c block with a supported pattern to the early d-block, a simple calculation:

No suffix = roughly 10k
a-block = roughly 20k
etc.. to the known high 581/d which is not solidly confirmed but is supported by several rifles between the "solid" confirmed rifle and the d-block(in other words it is a safe probability 581/d is valid.

*** in short Amberg/14 is a rather rare rifle, far rarer still in upper grades (original Imperial matching especially) but that only 15 have been observed(by me, clearly others may have seen more but many do not post to forums, a good buddy and sharpe long timer I know only lurks, similar to Jon Speed, and it is rare that the best researchers fart out years of research on the internet for every arse to critique...)

 

[GarrettC]

Pretty bizarre reply, but I assume a misunderstanding and your not screwing with me... first it is Amberg as on the receiver, second it's 15 recorded examples over 20 years of collecting data on the subject (basically 1997 through 2022 or so- I have loads of unprocessed data but stopped in 2020-2022 incorporating reports into trends.

Anyway, each block is roughly 10,000 rifles, the Amberg/1914 is solidly confirmed to the mid-c block with a supported pattern to the early d-block, a simple calculation:

No suffix = roughly 10k
a-block = roughly 20k
etc.. to the known high 581/d which is not solidly confirmed but is supported by several rifles between the "solid" confirmed rifle and the d-block(in other words it is a safe probability 581/d is valid.

*** in short Amberg/14 is a rather rare rifle, far rarer still in upper grades (original Imperial matching especially) but that only 15 have been observed(by me, clearly others may have seen more but many do not post to forums, a good buddy and sharpe long timer I know only lurks, similar to Jon Speed, and it is rare that the best researchers fart out years of research on the internet for every arse to critique...)

Thanks for the help I wasn’t sure how many were in each block with the gew98