1913 WMO Pre-war Wehrmanngewehr

[Mikegermany]

8.15x46R was one of the big civilian calibers... After WW1, military caliber rifles were illegal in civilian hands, so these were a popular target rifle for training purposes.

The 8,15x46R is much older and saw first use in "Feuerstutzen"-mostly breech- block actions. Big shootings with this rifles where held in south germany/ Bavaria around 1900.

An good overwiev give this site:
‪http://feuerbixler.de/


After WW1 the .22 and the 8,15x46R came back again, important reason was that it was easy to build ranges for this kind of cartridges. Wehrmann and Feuerstutzen had an secons season at this time.

 

[MichaelWC]

Nice (and rare) example for 1913; while I am not a fanatic trending commercial production, this is the only 1913/WMO trended (2017 in this case), though there is a Wurt commercial from 1913 (3713) too. I doubt they are related other than both commercial sales. (military production reached the early b-block at least.....)

The BC is most interesting, not shown in 2017, quite busy and not typical of military contract. Nice rifle and rare!

Paul here is some information I received from Mr Speed. When I posted this rifle a couple years ago.

Comment from Jon Speed regarding this rifle.
"The bolt is match and correct as commercial turn down bolts could also be used on 8.15X46r rifles. Bolt face is correct for rimmed round with enclosed bolt face etc. Rifle does not need big check out to see if it is ment for 8.15x46r just drop in any normal 8X57 which should /could Not fit etc. Its only Odd barrel is not marked for 8.15X46R round in any way but maybe under barrel etc. I see the 2 index marks on rear sight which looks correct etvc. Very nice looking example with out external marks for 8.15x46r in any way but back in those days things were not always done unless they simply forgot . Rare to find bent pear shape bolt but parts were used up in those days to make up these rifles. It would be interesting to note if rifling is 6 grooves used on Post WW1 examples in 8:15X46R. ?

An added note on the 1913 Mauser G98 Target rifles. 185 units were sold in 1913

More data on target rifle the info I just sent was for only part of buisness year the total Period Jan.1 to October 31 actual sold was 630 units. These were mostly made up from mixed parts then new SN and Proofs etc."

 

[hale1940]

Very interesting rifle Chris and thanks again for the excellent photo spread. I don’t know much about these Wehrmanngewehrm’s, but I always wondered about the procurement process for these. As in, were these individually private purchased rifles or were they ordered in batches by various groups/organizations and then distributed to members for use?

 

[Wehrmann]

Die deutsche Schützenpatrone 8,15x46R

 

[Loewe]

Paul here is some information I received from Mr Speed. When I posted this rifle a couple years ago.

Comment from Jon Speed regarding this rifle.
"The bolt is match and correct as commercial turn down bolts could also be used on 8.15X46r rifles. Bolt face is correct for rimmed round with enclosed bolt face etc. Rifle does not need big check out to see if it is ment for 8.15x46r just drop in any normal 8X57 which should /could Not fit etc. Its only Odd barrel is not marked for 8.15X46R round in any way but maybe under barrel etc. I see the 2 index marks on rear sight which looks correct etvc. Very nice looking example with out external marks for 8.15x46r in any way but back in those days things were not always done unless they simply forgot . Rare to find bent pear shape bolt but parts were used up in those days to make up these rifles. It would be interesting to note if rifling is 6 grooves used on Post WW1 examples in 8:15X46R. ?

An added note on the 1913 Mauser G98 Target rifles. 185 units were sold in 1913

More data on target rifle the info I just sent was for only part of buisness year the total Period Jan.1 to October 31 actual sold was 630 units. These were mostly made up from mixed parts then new SN and Proofs etc."

Michael, excellent thoughts, I have long ago conceded the colonial side to your obvious knowledge and now I must add the commercial side as well though I regret the former more than the latter! Commercial never offered the excitement the military side offered, - besides who comes close to matching their wits on the subject with Jon!

 

[Absolut]

Sight for Wehrmanngewehr

Bringing this up again since saw one of those (a reproduction?) put up for auction in Germany: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19547542

 

[heavy_mech]

Comment from Jon Speed regarding this rifle.

I see the 2 index marks on rear sight which looks correct

Would this be those 2 stars on the rear sight that were asked about?

An added note on the 1913 Mauser G98 Target rifles. 185 units were sold in 1913

More data on target rifle the info I just sent was for only part of buisness year the total Period Jan.1 to October 31 actual sold was 630 units. These were mostly made up from mixed parts then new SN and Proofs etc."

If that is indeed correct, I find it fascinating that 2 are here in this forum. Pretty amazing really.

 

[MichaelWC]

Would this be those 2 stars on the rear sight that were asked about?


If that is indeed correct, I find it fascinating that 2 are here in this forum. Pretty amazing really.

What do you mean there are two on this forum? Like two of the same type of rifle?

 

[Cyrano4747]

What do you mean there are two on this forum? Like two of the same type of rifle?

Yeah, the other thread is here:

I'm seeing stars

Hello All I have a 1913-manufactured Gewehr 98 with an S-type rear sight that has stars stamped into the range scale left and right at the 750m and 950m notches. I have the books Rifle & Carbine 98 and Mauser Rifles Vol 1 and neither book mentions stars on Gewehr 98 sights, but there they...

www.k98kforum.com

Pretty wild if there are two of those in this community.

 

[MichaelWC]

Yeah, the other thread is here:

I'm seeing stars

Hello All I have a 1913-manufactured Gewehr 98 with an S-type rear sight that has stars stamped into the range scale left and right at the 750m and 950m notches. I have the books Rifle & Carbine 98 and Mauser Rifles Vol 1 and neither book mentions stars on Gewehr 98 sights, but there they...

www.k98kforum.com

Pretty wild if there are two of those in this community.

Thank you. I just saw that.