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1899 WMO 7128 (1st "Kaiser Alexander" Garde Grenadier Regiment)

chrisftk

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Hi guys,

This one came home with me from the Baltimore show back in March. Another member here gave me advance notice that he might be selling, so I asked him to hold it for me under his table.

This one has seen its share of action, and many signs of reworking, but still presents well. The stock is factory and the SN was added to the keel during one of its reworks. The bolt was replaced at some point, likely at Koblenz-- the lazy scrub style with leaving the suffix alone matches some others from there (this one was super lazy, as you can see traces of the original SN) There are also a couple of patches/plugs in the stock for repair purposes.

There are other m/m parts as well, that were likely damaged/replaced over its service life; including the handguard, rear sight leaf and the entire TG assembly (triggerguard, floorplate and follower). Fortunately, the barrel is original and has the unique and cool 1st generation WMO fireproof.

The unit marking is 1 G.G. 8. 88, this is from the 1st Garde Grenadier Regiment, or the "Kaiser Alexander Regiment" as it was also referred to-- (You'll find 71s, 71/84 and 88s with a K.A.R marking, but this marking was made more standard to the 1.G.G. on Gew 98s.) Interestingly, there is also a cancelled marking from the 20th Reserve Infantry Regiment. I would imagine a 99 WMO would have gone to a Garde unit originally, but who knows the real path this rifle took. I know Sam has a 99 WMO marked to the Garde Schützen Regiment.

This one also came with a nice 1915 dated WKC 98/05 with a wartime I Division marking.

Here is the data on this one:

Receiver 7128
Barrel 7128 (B 20)
Front Sight 28
Rear Sight Leaf n/a
Sight Slider 28
Ejector Box 28
Trigger Sear 28
Front Barrel Band 28
Rear Barrel Band 28
Trigger Guard m/m
Trigger Guard Screws mm/mm
Floor Plate mm
Follower mm
Stock 7128 (1 G.G. 8. 88 and 20. R. 11. 58)
Buttplate 7128 ("5" / Koblenz depot)
Bayonet Lug 28
Handguard mm
Bolt body 7128 (old suffix left)
Safety mm
Cocking Piece mm
Shroud mm
Firing Pin mm
Extractor 28
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Congrats on a nice and well traveled pre war Gew 98! It's still in nice shape for something that went through 19 years of German service (assuming it stayed that way until 1918) and WWI. The early fireproof on the barrel is something I haven't seen before and coming with a bayonet is the cherry on top. At what point were the stocks factory numbered on the keel since you mentioned this one getting its external serial during a rework?
 
Congrats on a nice and well traveled pre war Gew 98! It's still in nice shape for something that went through 19 years of German service (assuming it stayed that way until 1918) and WWI. The early fireproof on the barrel is something I haven't seen before and coming with a bayonet is the cherry on top. At what point were the stocks factory numbered on the keel since you mentioned this one getting its external serial during a rework?
There's no hard date when the numbers appear on stock keels. From observations, each maker began stamping externally at different times prior to 1903. By 1903, when changes came to the sights, bolt, and bayonet lug, it was universal. However, as Chris mentioned, when early Gews went to depots they were often stamped externally, so it can make it hard to date when the change occured exactly.
 
Chris buddy That’s a very special Gewehr 98 rifle. I think the pinnacle of any Gewehr 98 collection is an 1898 or 99 dated rifle. My buddy had two Gewehr 98 rifles dated 1899. One was a WMO the other a DWM Naval. He saw me as a hard working young millennial with interest in old rifles and allowed me to purchase the DWM. It was a true blessing as a younger collector who works hard at job.
 
Great rifle Chris! I looked for years and never ran across one. As others have said, very special indeed and the original barrel.

Has Sam’s been posted?
Do any of the members have a 98 dated weapon?
 
Oh man, what a nice rifle, and the unit marking is very cool. Nice inclusion of those epaulets!! So many unique and rare things have come through this forum recently. I'm just waiting (and hoping) to see an 1898 dated trials gun on here eventually lol. An ANTIQUE 98-Mauser would be something very interesting!!
 
Amazing rifle, as usual. I've got a massive soft spot for anything WMO and love the pre-war stuff the most. Love the unit marking especially.
 
Great rifle, Chris! Thank you for taking the time to do a detailed spread. The super early guns are certainly in a league of their own.
 
Thanks guys!

At what point were the stocks factory numbered on the keel since you mentioned this one getting its external serial during a rework?
Cyrus nailed it-- I'll just add that you'll often see these added SNs on the keel of reworked older rifles too, particularly 88s, after this became the norm.
 
It's always great to see an early Gew in detail, and this one had quite a service life judging from the repairs. Thanks for getting the photos up, i added it to the reference.
This rifle is unrecorded, the highest 1st block known, though four earlier are known, - plus 6 a-blocks (4842/a is the high so far, -all that are unit marked are extraordinary units!)

Known 1898 WMO (5) on the otherhand are pretty much all dogs, no units known, - 3174 the high, very rare 1898 or 1899.
 
This rifle is unrecorded, the highest 1st block known, though four earlier are known, - plus 6 a-blocks (4842/a is the high so far, -all that are unit marked are extraordinary units!)

Known 1898 WMO (5) on the otherhand are pretty much all dogs, no units known, - 3174 the high, very rare 1898 or 1899.
Thanks Paul! This one had been with its prior owner for many years, I'm told. He purchased it a long time ago directly from a family member of the vet that brought it back. Definitely makes sense that it was unrecorded based upon that.

While it's sad that the bolt was replaced, I was ecstatic that the barrel and stock were factory. For such an early rifle I would have bet it would have been rebarreled or restocked before it was re-bolted... Beat the odds I suppose.
 
Nice rifle, the explanation of the difference in units could be the disc is from other rifle and was replaced here. I would compare the proofs on disc and on other metall parts.
 
Chris buddy That’s a very special Gewehr 98 rifle. I think the pinnacle of any Gewehr 98 collection is an 1898 or 99 dated rifle. My buddy had two Gewehr 98 rifles dated 1899. One was a WMO the other a DWM Naval. He saw me as a hard working young millennial with interest in old rifles and allowed me to purchase the DWM. It was a true blessing as a younger collector who works hard at job.
Sounds like he’s a great mentor.
 

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