Questions about my potential first

Hey team,

A stranger is interested in including his 1944 byf K98k as a part of a trade for a motorcycle I’m selling. I’ve been doing some reading and watching some videos but I’m still not confident enough to know if his rifle is legit or how much it’d be worth. He claims it’s worth $2200 (but obviously he would be inclined to say it’s worth a lot)

Can yall take a look and let me know what you think? Does it seem legit? How much do you think it’s worth? What questions should I ask? What should I keep an eye out for?
 

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Compare to vetted originals of that serial block here:

Looks perhaps OK but need more and better pics. Again, compare to the pic sticky reference examples for stock finish, serials, finish, stock inspections.
 
Definitely not enough pics to determine the real value. You need to see the bolt serials, especially a close up of the bolt handle root. The stock channel and underside of handguard. Rear band serial. You need to see pics of the rear sight components as well. The repro zf41 rig replaces the sight base when installed and used. It’s not far fetched that the original sight base may have been misplaced. If I’m not mistaken, the rear sight base had the serial number on the rear “lip” of the base in the “a” block. So on and so forth.

Judging from the provided pics only, the stock looks to have been “cleaned”. Looks to me like good old modern BLO (Boiled linseed oil - wrong wood treatment) was slathered on top after. I’ve seen many stocks ruined and this looks like that same darkening that inevitably happens in time with that crap incorrect product. Now it could possibly be the lighting, but imho the stock knocks off easily a few hundred off hir trade value price. That is assuming that the rifle is really all matching.
 
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I’d say focus on YOUR GOALS in selling the bike. I like these rifles, but if my goal is to get rid of stuff & turn it into $$$, trades aren’t helping. The sling, ammo, scope & vet story are just smoke & mirrors. The rifle ‘might be’ worth $1200-$1500 if it looks better in person than in pics. Pass.
 
To the op, run away!! I knew something was up with that stock. I’ve just zoomed into the rear buttstock on the left side and enhanced. It’s clearly a R/C stock. So the guy trying to trade it to you is either misinformed or trying to dupe you. I bet you the bolt is not matching either. This rifle is probably a bolt mis match action sporter rescue sitting in a “cleaned” up Russian capture stock.

If I had to put a value on it, let’s assume bolt mismatch with its matching metal hardware in that RC stock and an excellent bore, $800-$1000 bucks tops as trade value.

The zepro zf41 doesn’t add any value to me because most are garbage. They have plastic components inside that break under the heavy recoil of 8x57. Ask me how I know…. And mine was the Ukrainian made one from 2012ish which was considered the better of the repros.
 

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IMHO, NO!!!!

Repo Zf41 ? Repo sling ?

DO ALL THE NUMBERS MATCH ?????

Do not like the finish on the wood / metal finish looks odd / buy the gun not the story, that may or may not be

IMHO, NO!!!!

Repo Zf41 ? Repo sling ?

DO ALL THE NUMBERS MATCH ?????

Do not like the finish on the wood / metal finish looks odd / buy the gun not the story, that may or may not be truth
Thanks for the info and getting the convo started. After much consideration I will not be accepting the fire arm at his current value and may not accept at all. Certainly will take a look tho at least to familiarize myself as The silver living is he sparked my interest that I never had in antique rifles. Very cool. Thanks again sir.
 
Compare to vetted originals of that serial block here:

Looks perhaps OK but need more and better pics. Again, compare to the pic sticky reference examples for stock finish, serials, finish, stock inspections.
Very helpful, thank you I will inspect closely but after the general discussion will not accept his current valuation.
 
Definitely not enough pics to determine the real value. You need to see the bolt serials, especially a close up of the bolt handle root. The stock channel and underside of handguard. Rear band serial. You need to see pics of the rear sight components as well. The repro zf41 rig replaces the sight base when installed and used. It’s not far fetched that the original sight base may have been misplaced. If I’m not mistaken, the rear sight base had the serial number on the rear “lip” of the base in the “a” block. So on and so forth.

Judging from the provided pics only, the stock looks to have been “cleaned”. Looks to me like good old modern BLO (Boiled linseed oil - wrong wood treatment) was slathered on top after. I’ve seen many stocks ruined and this looks like that same darkening that inevitably happens in time with that crap incorrect product. Now it could possibly be the lighting, but imho the stock knocks off easily a few hundred off hir trade value price. That is assuming that the rifle is really all matching.
Whoa very interesting bit about the BLO. Anything specific I should keep en eye out when I inspect in person to see if that’s the case or if it was just the lighting?
 
I’d say focus on YOUR GOALS in selling the bike. I like these rifles, but if my goal is to get rid of stuff & turn it into $$$, trades aren’t helping. The sling, ammo, scope & vet story are just smoke & mirrors. The rifle ‘might be’ worth $1200-$1500 if it looks better in person than in pics. Pass.
Thank you. Good reminder to focus on my goals and to see through the BS. Can’t help to admit this guy definitely sparked in interest in antique fire arms I never knew I had.
 
To the op, run away!! I knew something was up with that stock. I’ve just zoomed into the rear buttstock on the left side and enhanced. It’s clearly a R/C stock. So the guy trying to trade it to you is either misinformed or trying to dupe you. I bet you the bolt is not matching either. This rifle is probably a bolt mis match action sporter rescue sitting in a “cleaned” up Russian capture stock.

If I had to put a value on it, let’s assume bolt mismatch with its matching metal hardware in that RC stock and an excellent bore, $800-$1000 bucks tops as trade value.

The zepro zf41 doesn’t add any value to me because most are garbage. They have plastic components inside that break under the heavy recoil of 8x57. Ask me how I know…. And mine was the Ukrainian made one from 2012ish which was considered the better of the repros.
Thanks for all the details. Dumb question but what do you mean by R/C stock?
 
You'll always remember your first.
Especially when the deal leaves you trailing blood from your back side.

And it will happen, as it has happened to all collectors.

Yesterday I discovered a byf 42 I bought years ago, and thought was all matching, all these years, had the wrong follower and wrong firing pin ....

I felt like a damned fool and I am 76, and started collecting back in my 20s......

I listed a bcd 4, I thought was all matching, and discovered the stock was not.

I lowered my price $1,000.00 to sell it.....
 
Interesting how can you tell? Trying to learn what I should keep an eye for in the future. Thanks in advance sir.
In a nutshell. Russian Captures k98ks are German WW2 rifles that were “captured” by the Soviets. During the post war era, they decided to put them through a refurbishment program. ALL those rifles were disassembled into parts bins. Bolt bodies in one bin, bolt safeties in another, barrel bands, sight components all separated. I’m sure you get the picture. All that remains of the original WW2 rifle that was left intact is the barreled receiver. These barreled receivers were then “reassembled” with random components from these parts bins. I’m fairly confident that perhaps headspace was checked with a field gauge for basic safety, but that’s it. Bolt lugs and mating it to the receiver work was not performed. This explains in part why you have such a huge discrepancy in how R/C k98ks shoot. Some can do 2-3” moa and some do 7”+. There is more to that of course but original matching German k98ks were hand fitted and every rifle was tested for accuracy before leaving the factory (factory capture was another story however). A k98k would not leave the factory with 4”+ grouping.

Back to the RC stuff. Some R/C’s are also counterbored as that was seen as the best solution to fix accuracy or damage to the muzzle. Sometimes the firing proofs (Eagle with Swastika on the receiver, barrel and underside of bolt root) were peened and sometimes a “x” stamp was applied to the receiver. Then the metal was hot dip Russian blued.

The stocks were sometimes cleaned, but always stamped with the receiver serial number horizontally across the rear left buttstock and then shellac varnish was applied to the stock. Like you see on Mosins. Then they slathered the entire rifle with cosmoline and stuck them in crates. So on and so forth. They are basically post-war Soviet mixmaster re-works intended for long term storage. Reworked in case of a massive war with the west where the masses would need to be armed to defend the motherland.

The rifle that you showed is sitting in a R/C stock because most likely it’s a bolt mismatch sporter rescue. Many returning GI’s and bubbas sporterized k98ks post war here in the states by chopping up the stocks for a more hunt minded configuration. Then somebody shows up, buys that hunting rifle and tries to restore it to its military configuration. Years ago the cheapest way to get a k98k military stock for it was from a RC donor rifle because they were selling for $250 or less complete. To make it look better, the shellac was stripped off, serial number on the buttstock was attempted to be “steamed out” and sanded and than many people who didn’t know what they were doing, slathered copious amounts of boiled linseed oil from the big hardware stores because they read in Backbone of the Wehrmacht that the Germans used that. Which we know now is totally incorrect, but the practice continues….

The reason I know the rifle you show is in a rc stock is because I see a serial number stamped into the left side buttstock and the general look of the stock show aggressive cleaning at one point and a non original German finish.
 
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