zf41 and case no block

[sauer]

hi
for sharing pictures

 

[Hercules]

Zf41

Hello Sauer. Nice scope and matching can. I really like these early matching mounts and rings. I also thought most early ones were numbered on back side edge of rings with a mount number in three of the four edges. Thanks for sharing.

 

[oldcorps]

Nice one! Hard to believe that they were once common at shows.

 

[mdarnell19]

Very nice early ZF41 set. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Nigromontanus]

This is not an early ZF41 set, but a very, very late....

 

[Hercules]

This is not an early ZF41 set, but a very, very late....

That’s great. I thought that might be a possibility the way it was numbered. Also, no brush tube in can. At least not one I can see. You don’t see many of those here. Thanks to Sauer for posting this.

 

[mdarnell19]

This is not an early ZF41 set, but a very, very late....

How can you tell it's really late? I thought they stopped numbering the mounts in early to mid 1944. Thanks.

 

[RyanE]

I don't know that I like the SN on the mount.

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[Hercules]

Zf41

This is not an early ZF41 set, but a very, very late....

I have several ZF41 scopes/mounts. Both early and late and none are numbered like this, but I have not seen them all. By very very late are you saying post war? I hope that is not the case, but would like to generate at least a little discussion, since it is unique. All my very very late ones are not numbered.

 

[Xavier]

Unumbered zf41 mount

Hi Brian
Have you ever seen a ww2 issued german sniper mount without any rifle numbered on it ?
Regards

 

[Xavier]

This one is a true ww2 german scope and mount.

 

[Hercules]

Hi Brian
Have you ever seen a ww2 issued german sniper mount without any rifle numbered on it ?
Regards

Hello Xavier. How are you doing? Thanks for the reply. Yes I have a couple of unnumbered mounts of course. Both ZF41 and LSR. Since we are talking about ZF41 scopes and mounts I would like to hear what you have to say about the mount Sauer posted and compare it to the way mine is numbered. It is different than the numbered mounts I have as you can see. I kind of like aspects about the mount in this thread, but to be totally honest the numbering is different than any I have seen so far. Here are the rifle numbers and mount numbers I am talking about in my photos. Thanks again for any of your insight.

 

[mdarnell19]

I think I like the numbering. Here is another example from a matching rifle. Look at the "8" and the "5." They look identical to me. Same application also. The numbering reminds me of duv G43 mounts. But would love to hear more opinions, ZF41s are not my strong suit.

 

[Hercules]

I suppose each rifle manufacturer (byf, duv, and ar) could have numbered their ZF41 scopes differently at different times. There are just are not a lot of matching examples to look at. Interesting though. Thanks again for posting your scope.

 

[Nigromontanus]

The last post is correct. The mounts were numbered where the scope was mated with the gun. I have no confirmation that unnumbered mounts were issued with guns and I doubt it. IMO those unnumbered were not issued and given the number produced there should be plenty of them.

And yes, this is no postwar engraved mount. I am not able to discern fully by the engraving where the mating took place. Too little matching examples seen.

Personally I do not consider the ZF41 a true sniper scope, but when you have a scientifical approach you cannot leave them out, so I have all of them.

 

[Hercules]

The last post is correct. The mounts were numbered where the scope was mated with the gun. I have no confirmation that unnumbered mounts were issued with guns and I doubt it. IMO those unnumbered were not issued and given the number produced there should be plenty of them.

And yes, this is no postwar engraved mount. I am not able to discern fully by the engraving where the mating took place. Too little matching examples seen.

Personally I do not consider the ZF41 a true sniper scope, but when you have a scientifical approach you cannot leave them out, so I have all of them.

Nice collection of ZF41 Scopes you have there.

You might be right about the unnumbered mounts, but with late war expediency I think it is possible some late war ZF41 Scopes were issued unnumbered. Any scope fits easily on any rifle. However, that is impossible to prove for sure. There are a fair amount of unnumbered cans as well.

One thing that adds proof to your theory about unnumbered mounts not being issued is the fact that ZF41 Scopes are not easy or quick to sight in. There is that sighting type device that fits on one end of the scope and special tools used. So the sight in process was done by a factory or by an armorer type person most likely. After it was sighted in you would not want the scopes to get mixed up with each other. So I can see that you have a point.

 

[sauer]

zf

hi
thank you for you obervations

 

[sauer]

info

I think I like the numbering. Here is another example from a matching rifle. Look at the "8" and the "5." They look identical to me. Same application also. The numbering reminds me of duv G43 mounts. But would love to hear more opinions, ZF41s are not my strong suit.

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can you give me the serial number and code of your zf41
thanks

 

[sauer]

info

I don't know that I like the SN on the mount.

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another example
you will notice that the shape of the numbers is the same on the case and the zf41
normally for a cxn mount ,you have to find a letter: i v h m
in this picture we find a number 4,strange!

 

[sauer]

info

I suppose each rifle manufacturer (byf, duv, and ar) could have numbered their ZF41 scopes differently at different times. There are just are not a lot of matching examples to look at. Interesting though. Thanks again for posting your scope.

Hercules
for manufacturer buf ar duv
the shape of the numbers and letters is different