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What Maker/Year for WaA 26 Marked KM Stock?

pzjgr

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OK, so I am taking the easy way out...I am asking here for this...I have been on the road so much, I haven't had time to search the bibles...

Thanks to my buddy FlyNaked, I came in possession of a beautiful Norwegian take off set, all matching stock, bands, TG, floorplate...everything but the barreled receiver and bolt WaA 26 marked double KM marked stock (Eagle/M on stock, Nordsee marked on the disc...).

I believe this would go on a MB gun, circa 1938-39? I may be lucky enough to have a stock mismatched MB to put in it, but want to be sure of exactly what year/maker that would properly go into it...

I will try to get some pics up later this week...then once I figure out what gun I want to drop into it, I'll get some more.

I was very happy to get this, as I have never had a KM rifle in the collection, believe it or not....and this is double marked!
 
This would be most likely be for a 39/40 Berlin Borsigwalde rifle. A few ar41 show like that too but the bulk of reported KM accepted and disc marked guns are 39 and 40.

Can you post the data? I am studying these exact markings.
Serial and suffix of rifle, or at least serial.
The disc marking Letter and number.
I can Probably arrow down the year based on this.
 
Absolutely, I will get you all the data when I get home, hopefully by Wednesday...but for sure sometime later this week...
 
OK, so I took some pics of the stock before I put the barreled action in it...

So the serial on it is 8943 b....serialed on keel, inside channel, and inside handguard, all matching...

E/M marked on side...stock disc stamped N 27022, "K", and E/26....

Bayo lug marked 43, and E/26

Note it was originally set up for a 10" rod, but was retrofitted (maybe by the Norwegians?) for the 12.5" rod.

It is a beautiful stock....I have an ar41, "g" block, that has a mismatched stock and bands, so I am going to drop it into this stock...I will post pics of it when it is done....

Hope this helps CanadianAR...
 

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The matching bands....

It came with matching TG and floorplate and screw assembly, but since the "g" block has matching parts there, I am going to stick with the original "g" block parts for these...
 

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Hello pzjgr,

the stock belong without any doubt to a Mauser Berlin 243 1940 and suits good to your "g" block ar 41. The "g" block Kriegsmarine have the Kriegsmarine "M" acceptance on the right side of the stock and just the disc would be blank, without Kriegsmarine inventory number.

Is the serial number 8943b lined out on the buttplate and which is the Norwegian number? I guess it was a Norwegian HÆR. If the number isn't lined out and there is no Norwegian number, it served in the Norwegian navy.

Greetings,
Stephan
 
As 8x57 said, it's from a 40. It fits in nicely.
There is an a block with disc N23767k and a d block with N27969k.


Thanks for posting the info
 
I had the bolt that came with that stock, I got the stock from Norway and traded it to flynaked a while back. Looking for the bolt now, may have sold it though. It's on my original list of parts but seems to be MIA at the moment.
 
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Well, here is the ar 41 in the stock, they go very well together, the metal is in as nice as shape as the stock...the stock it was in was a fairly beat Sauer Yugo used post war judging by the marks and repairs on the butt, a kind of ugly sock, so this works a lot better...
 

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So the entire barreled receiver, TG, floorplate, bolt, etc all match, and now the stock, handguard and bands all match, and it looks great together. Very happy with the final product, even though it is not exactly correct, but its close enough for me, and better than it was!
 

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You don't have to take a photo, it would be enough when you write the number, maybe then I can tell something about the Norwegian post war use.
 
No problem, its still out, just shot a quickie...here you go, it would be great to find out some additional info!
 

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Thank you! Now I'm sure, the rifle was used in the Norwegian army and had the marking HÆR on the receiver. It was rifle number 56629 from around 98,000 HÆR rifles.
 
Great, thanks for the info.

Did the Norwegians strip these down, since a lot of Norwegian take offs I see seem to be very blonde, and then covered in their orange shellac or whatever the composition of their finish is.

But they don't seem sanded, or at least not very much, as the stock stamps are usually pretty good.

I did strip the varnish off, and rubbed in a little Howards, but that's it.

The rifle looks so much better now than with the old small disc Sauer, post war Yugo used stock that was on it, which was very dark, and had some repairs in the butt area...certainly one of the nicest looking rifles in the collection now...and like I said, this is actually the first KM marked stock I have owned, believe it or not! I have a nice et of KM marked belt, buckle, pouches and bayonet that go perfect with it...
 
Interesting fact, ar41 2213g is a KM gun. So your rifle could have been one to start with.
 
Great, thanks for the info.

Did the Norwegians strip these down, since a lot of Norwegian take offs I see seem to be very blonde, and then covered in their orange shellac or whatever the composition of their finish is.

But they don't seem sanded, or at least not very much, as the stock stamps are usually pretty good.

I did strip the varnish off, and rubbed in a little Howards, but that's it.

The rifle looks so much better now than with the old small disc Sauer, post war Yugo used stock that was on it, which was very dark, and had some repairs in the butt area...certainly one of the nicest looking rifles in the collection now...and like I said, this is actually the first KM marked stock I have owned, believe it or not! I have a nice et of KM marked belt, buckle, pouches and bayonet that go perfect with it...

You are very welcome!

They strip down this 243 1940 serial number 8943b, because it served as a Karabin M/98k F1 in the Norwegian Army. The Norwegians had these type of rifles in post war service:
- Karabin M/98k ..................(K98k in original configuration)
- Karabin M/98k F1 ..............(K98k modified and the F1 (Forandring 1) means "Modification 1")
- Karabin M/98k F1 Z.F. 41 ...(K98k with Zf.41 modified and the F1 (Forandring 1) means "Modification 1")
- Karabin G33/40 .................(G.33/40 in original configuration)

Karabin M/98k F1:
The Norwegians decided that the majority of the carbine K98k get converted to .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm) and the Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk got the assignment to do this job. Probably between 1954-1958 about 130,000 rifles got converted, the majority of the weapons was K98k, but there was also some G.29/40 and VZ.24 and all got the designation "Karabin M/98k F1".
The Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk rebarreled the rifles with Kongsberg cold-hammered barrels in .30-06 Springfield and on the left side of the barrel they put the marking "KAL 7.62 ".
Because the .30-06 is longer than the original German 7.92x57mm, the front of the German produced magazine got modified therewith the .30-06 fit inside. To accommodate the extended triggerguard, the Norwegians milled out some wood of the stock. In addition they milled out a oval on the receiver ring to allow feeding of the .30-06 stripper clips.
The left side of the receiver ring got usually ground on top of the German serial number to put there the Norwegian military branch marking and the Norwegian serial number. Usually all Karabin M/98k F1 have the ground on the receiver ring, just a few M/98k F1 examples from the Coastal Artillery with the marking "K.ART" stayed in original condition without the ground. The Karabin M/98k F1 from the Army (HÆR marking) and Air Force (FLY marking) are all ground.
After converting they got the circle "A" acceptance from the inspection officer Hardy Algren. This circle "A" acceptance has nothing to do with the Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik “Circle A” variation mentioned in the new book VOLUME II-b.

You could put your ar 41 serial number "1757g" without problems in the modified stock of the 243 1940. But as example usually you can't put the modified triggerguard with the longer magazine of the 243 1940 into your old Sauer & Sohn stock.

Like CanadianAR said, there are a lot Kriegsmarine ar 41 in the "g" block and the first example is serial number "2213g", the chances are high your ar 41 is a real Kriegsmarine rifle.

Because it suits to the topic Kriegsmarine, Mauser Berlin and Norwegians, I have two unmodified Norwegian Karabin M/98k rifles which served in the Norwegian Navy. They have the marking "K.N.M." which means "Kongelige Norske Marine". A lot of the Karabin M/98k have the ground on the receiver ring for the Norwegian military branch marking and serial number, I had luck with my K98ks and they don't have the ground. Here are some photos of my Kriegsmarine ar 41 serial number "5939c" which served post war again in the Navy.
 

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