Thoughts on the "Type 4" G/K 43 pouch.....

[ChrisG43]

What is the general consensus on the late war "Type 4, as described by Claus on his website and Darrin's book" G/K43 pouches? They seem to command a premium for sure...are these postwar production Czech or DDR, or some examples wartime as suggested and used by the Czechs postwar? And, what is a "going rate" on one of these, I think I saw one sell awhile back for 400 Eur or close to it? Is that realistic? Thanks for any insights anyone can lend....Chris...

 

[Wilhelm]

Well, that's 100% a Czech stamp. The "x" is crossed sabers sloppily stamped (normal) and the "50" is most likely the date going by my experience with Czech items.

I LOVE early postwar Czech and Eastie items!!

 

[Wilhelm]

For comparison, here's the stamp inside the main flap of an unissued Czech breadbag I have made in 1951:





As an aside, these early ones are a much rougher weave than the later ones. It's almost a burlap very reminiscent of German late war items.

 

[mrfarb]

IMO they are both wartime and postwar made. The ww2 ones will be RME45 marked on the loop.

 

[Wilhelm]

I would assume the Czechs just kept on trucking with them after the war, using up German marked leftover stock right alongside new made Czech marked stock. Probably, the only way to tell them apart at first was the stamp. I would also assume that the stamp would dictate a large difference in value.

 

[RampantLion]

Weaver first wrote that these were post war Czech pouches in "Hitler's Garand". But he reversed his position in "Rough Forged" after learning that RME 45 K98k pouches exist made from the same pebbled leather. The general consensus is that these are late war pouches, made by Germany in WW2.

 

[mrfarb]

I have photos of wartime RME44 and 45 K43 pouches, RME 45 belts, y-straps, and k98k pouches. They made lots of different leather items - my opinion is some of the interior Czech stamps are just military acceptance as I’ve seen RME45 wartime made pouches with the ink stamps.

 

[mauser99]

interesting discussion ! Without me looking. Who and where was RME ? Possibly in CZ ? We had a similar discussion on another subject about this. The Czech's certainly made and ended up with tons of Equipment
made for the German war machine. If you look at the grain of the pebbled leather its the same as the leather used on the late war Cz27 holsters that I think are typically only RB# but, do have a Waffenampt. Would be interesting to see if they are the same maker.

 

[Cyrano4747]

interesting discussion ! Without me looking. Who and where was RME ? Possibly in CZ ? We had a similar discussion on another subject about this. The Czech's certainly made and ended up with tons of Equipment
made for the German war machine. If you look at the grain of the pebbled leather its the same as the leather used on the late war Cz27 holsters that I think are typically only RB# but, do have a Waffenampt. Would be interesting to see if they are the same maker.

Unknown, although they're also observed making holsters for Vz27 under German occupation. I THINK that became the P27(t)? Either way, most likely a czech company given that data point.

 

[mauser99]

yes it did. the cz27 holster was typically smooth leather till this late variant in a textured not quite the same as German pebbled leather was made in 44 but, with RB # and its usually very hard to read.

 

[mrfarb]

It’s the same company. I have seen RME45 cz27 pouches too, I might even have one still.

 

[Scharf]

I have a rbnr 0/1250/0011 made 98k pouch dated 44 in the same pebbled leather. I know a few makers in the area of Koenigsberg made some of them. The Vitoussek company had the 0/1250/0008 attributed code. I don't think that they kept making g43 pouches post 45 but there was such an amount of left overs that they took what they could IMO. I can't really tell for sure for these pouches but I have done my fair amount of research on "bla" or Ernst Gustav Leuner to know that they were expropriated in 1946 by the Russians and they supplied them with military surplus for the red army, now, that's a different maker but that tells you how so much of that stuff ended up in foreign armies afterwards.

 

[Scharf]

This thread might be of interest

98k pouch 1944

Hello! Here's the last thing I got in 2021, an Erzeugungsjahr 1944 rbnr marked pouch with my favorite kind of oddball pebble! Sorry pictures are not so good.

www.k98kforum.com

 

[Scharf]

Bump,

Mine, with a Waffenamt stamp and the Czech storage acceptance stamp. Good war time production.