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Ss double claw for opinions.

mauser99

mauser99

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I have come to my conclusion. I have this rifle possibly sold for a friend of mine and I wanted a bias opinion and there are plenty of knowledgably folks here who's opinions I respect. I wanted it to be seen by all parties and a conclusion to be made. What it is. A BNZ43 SS contract converted to an double claw sniper by SSzza2 depot. Many things fall in line with other examples and a few don't make sense. So I want to see what you all think. It's an all matching rifle less the trigger guard.
 

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the biggest ??? for me seeing it the first time was " why the addition of the second firing proof and serial # " ?? Non -steyr font and proof.. Odd for sure..
SSzza2 proof looks Ok and consistent with other examples seen.
 
Is there a rifle # on the scope? Also, I don't see the mount number ("A1...") on the ring, something odd aswell.

To me the firing proof on the receiver (aswell as the serial) look engraved (look at all the material left around the numbers!), but could also just be the pictures and the white colour in them.
 
Im sorry.. I didn't notice any numbers on the side. And there are no numbers on the claw like some have. The dow marking is a bit light and not a deep as some Ive seen. I may have to clear out the paint and look deeper into those numbers. I have no clue why they would have been added ?
The owner added the white paint. He did this to all his rifles. Old timer with that habit. I was one to do it as well back in the day.
 
For what it's worth, I think it's fake and not a real good one. The firing proof and serial number on the receiver are 100% fake. The SSZZA2 marking? You decide, I've posted an original and it isn't the same. I really HATE how terrible the workmanship is on the base mounting, they could have taken more time to get it close at least.

The base rifle itself appears to be an original SS contract, including the bolt. So someone ruined a real SS contract rifle to make this in my opinion. No stock serial pics or floorplate number to see if that part is original or not.
 

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well, bingo.. I really had to look at it more than once and compare it to photos of others posted here.. which there are a few.
None of the others are staked on top. None that I have seen are staked.. On this example both the front and rear bases are staked. Originals are not. The fit was tight enough where it wasn't necessary. The SSzza2 is very convincing and I may have to clear out the paint to see how it was applied. Engraved ?? Maybe ? Why they added that horrible firing proof and serial # is beyond me. That was one thing that kept me questioning this rifle.

What we have is a real bnz43 SS contract with bases and scope added by someone besides an SS armorer :facepalm:

A decent example of a re-created sniper..


See photo attached.. no real double claw has this stake mark holding in the mount.. This small mark sealed the deal for me.
 

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Sorry to disagree on the stacking but I know of BYF and BCD Rifle that have the Bases Stacked The One of the Rifles I mention have been authenticated by other here . Best Regards
 
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mauser99 said:
well, bingo.. I really had to look at it more than once and compare it to photos of others posted here.. which there are a few.
None of the others are staked on top. None that I have seen are staked.. On this example both the front and rear bases are staked. Originals are not. The fit was tight enough where it wasn't necessary. The SSzza2 is very convincing and I may have to clear out the paint to see how it was applied. Engraved ?? Maybe ? Why they added that horrible firing proof and serial # is beyond me. That was one thing that kept me questioning this rifle.

What we have is a real bnz43 SS contract with bases and scope added by someone besides an SS armorer :facepalm:

A decent example of a re-created sniper..


See photo attached.. no real double claw has this stake mark holding in the mount.. This small mark sealed the deal for me.
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Actually I have seen them staked before. See photos of an example of another single rune double claw I examined in hand. The added receiver serial number font statement in this thread is a mystery to me as well. I thought the SSZZA2 looked correct. I do not see what you are talking about. Thanks.

Brian
 

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mauser99 said:
well, bingo.. I really had to look at it more than once and compare it to photos of others posted here.. which there are a few.
None of the others are staked on top. None that I have seen are staked.. On this example both the front and rear bases are staked. Originals are not. The fit was tight enough where it wasn't necessary. The SSzza2 is very convincing and I may have to clear out the paint to see how it was applied. Engraved ?? Maybe ? Why they added that horrible firing proof and serial # is beyond me. That was one thing that kept me questioning this rifle.

What we have is a real bnz43 SS contract with bases and scope added by someone besides an SS armorer :facepalm:

A decent example of a re-created sniper..


I thought it might be OK. Please take out the white paint.

Brian
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I have seen them staked, not sure if it's early or later production though, or randomly done to mounts that were too loose. However, the fitting of those is nowhere near correct, these are tight. Also, I still don't like the general look of the SSZZA2 marking, l bet if you took the white out of the thing it would be engraved and not stamped. The 2 looks like a snake, not a 2 and the A appears to me to be too narrow. Granted angle of the photo can alter what stamps look like in pictures.
 
Serial Number

There should not be a serial number on the barrel and receiver perhaps? Font is hard with paint added. Thanks.
 
Seeing these pics I agree the eagle proof is Fake . I went threw some of my folders to see were this Eagle Proof is found on known original SS DBL Claws built on BNZ4 Single Rune Rifles. From the photos I have this Proof always stamped directly below SSZZA2 Proof or there is No Eagle Proof at all . None I found were like Rifle in question . Best Regards .
 
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Dave Roberts said:
Seeing these pics I agree the eagle proof is Fake . I went threw some of my folders to see were this Eagle Proof is found on known original SS DBL Claws built on BNZ4 Single Rune Rifles. From the photos I have this Proof always stamped directly below SSZZA2 Proof or there is No Eagle Proof at all . None I found were like Rifle in question . Best Regards .
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That firing proof part of the puzzle has me fooled. The SSZZA2 looks good to me though.
 
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Hercules said:
There should not be a serial number on the barrel and receiver perhaps? Font is hard with paint added. Thanks.
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The serial # on the barrel is legit. These seem to flip flop from barrel to receiver and visa verse. That's not the issue.. Added horrible F.P. and serial # on the receiver that shouldn't be there and why its there has me ??? the rifle. I will have him clean out the paint and I will go back over with a look and look at the markings. The SSzza2 is certainly good enough to fool most.
 
All the bnz43's listed here have no stake marks on the receivers. It looks like some of the later ones do ? So not the best thing to base an opinion on.
 
Hi Wayne, Is that daylight under the rear base in post one, picture 9 or just glare? If daylight, that would be a red flag IMO.
 
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