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Romanian sniper VZ24 photo

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Amberg

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Hello,
got this photo out of ebay Germany recently.
Enjoy.
Wolfgang
 

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Hello,

nice photo by any chance can it be dated?? it's the first real photo i have seen of the Romanian sniper in action. what model of firearm is the other person useing?? might help date it.


later
vaughn
 
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Don't see too many photos of the Orita M1941 SMG. Entered service in 1943, so I'd guess the photo was taken in the winter of 43/44.

Romanian vz24 sniper and an Orita in action in the same photo. You win, Wolfgang!:hail:
 

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Well I guess one cat is out of the bag about one sniper version of the VZ-24 that people insistent can't be WWII.
 
As far as I can see there is nothing in the photo that dates it to WW2? I agree it could be, but just as easily could be later. Is the photo part of a series or is it marked on the back somehow?
 
Ah Hah There`s the culprit Wolfgang You Dog , I saw that Photo and went back to Bid On It , but IT WAS GONE . AUCTION ENDED .Must say a GREAT PRICE TOO . Mike there was one other Pic in set , but a separate Auction .I will send It to You . I do not want to Post It as It is NOT Mine and it Did Sell .
 
pgaplayerlss said:
I can supply further evidence of it's WWII use which have been documented by David M. Fortier in the attached article.

http://74.81.201.239/docs/ShotgunNewsAug08.pdf
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Sorry, but I can not make out any evidence for WWII issue in that article. No documents, no photos. What did I miss?

@Dave: I confess, I bought it for very little money. I promise betterment! Next time I'll buy such a rare photo for next to nothing.

Thanks
Wolfgang
 
Amberg said:
Sorry, but I can not make out any evidence for WWII issue in that article. No documents, no photos. What did I miss?

@Dave: I confess, I bought it for very little money. I promise betterment! Next time I'll buy such a rare photo for next to nothing.

Thanks
Wolfgang
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The author being a pretty well know writer for Shotgun News, Shooting Times, Guns& Ammo, Rifleshooter, etc.....I'm sure he's lying! :D

But yes, I been working on reaching him to do my due diligence on the info provided in this SGN article.
 
Whats the sub-gun being used in the background? Can that help pinpoint a time period?
 
Fair enough...were the Orita's used post-war too? If they were it can't be used to prove things either way, but if they weren't, then that would tend to prove its a wartime photo....
 
pzjgr said:
Fair enough...were the Orita's used post-war too? If they were it can't be used to prove things either way, but if they weren't, then that would tend to prove its a wartime photo....
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It would be better to know if the photo war dated. There was another photo sold as part of this collection which looked very WWII. I don't know much about the SMGs. One source suggests only 4,000 of these SMGs were made (seems low) and after WWII they served in auxilliary/national guard forces until 1970s
 
Amberg said:
Sorry, but I can not make out any evidence for WWII issue in that article. No documents, no photos. What did I miss?

@Dave: I confess, I bought it for very little money. I promise betterment! Next time I'll buy such a rare photo for next to nothing.

Thanks
Wolfgang
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That was My Exact Thought when I saw It . But when I returned it was GOOOONE.
At Least a Very Good Friend Got It . Congratulation on a Very Rare Photo .Best Regards
P.S. You Dog .:googlie
 
Dave Roberts said:
That was My Exact Thought when I saw It . But when I returned it was GOOOONE.
At Least a Very Good Friend Got It . Congratulation on a Very Rare Photo .Best Regards
P.S. You Dog .:googlie
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I have been able to reach David Fortier and am actively exchanging information. Stay tuned folks.
 
pgaplayerlss said:
Correct. The IOR Luneta 4.5x28mm was produced circa 1940 till 1945? And stayed in service till 1970. Now that this image has been released ahead of schedule, I can supply further evidence of it's WWII use which have been documented by David M. Fortier in the attached article.

http://74.81.201.239/docs/ShotgunNewsAug08.pdf
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Of interest to us is the fact that IOR produced sniper rifle scopes and mounts for the standard Romanian sniper rifle, a Brnoproduced ZB-24. These rifles were chambered for the standard 7.92x57mm cartridge and utilized the familiar Mauser 98 action. Mounted atop the receiver in-line with the bore was a heavy steel two-piece base. This held a simple but rugged Luneta 4.5x28mm scope. It was built using a robust 30mm straight steel tube and was fitted with a straightforward post reticle. The system, although sitting very high, was both uncomplicated and sturdy, while providing slightly more magnification than the Soviet 3.5X PU.

These sniper rifles were normally issued at the platoon level. Snipers were selected for their marksmanship abilities; they were
usually the best shots in their 56- (1941) or 51- (1942-1945) man platoon. Romanian snipers were assigned to the platoon headquarters unit. This gave the platoon leader control over his organicsniper, and allowed him to send him where he was needed most. The Luneta 4.5x28mm topped ZB-24 Mausers remained standard issue for Romanian snipers into the 1970s.
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Gents,

The information on the WWII Romanian ZB/VZ-24 Snipers has been confirmed by the author to come from IOR factory archives @ IOR itself through Valentin Leatu the founder/owner/CEO of Valdada Enterprises, the US distributor of IOR products.

I'm working on hopefully getting more information.

If mods would like to make this thread into a sticky, I will post it here as/if I get it.
 
Hello,
the photo finally has arrived.
Judging from size, material .... it seems to be a WWII press photo. The paper tag unfortunately is removed.
The writing on the back says: envelope 4
If you want to read anything else, I can ask my 97 year old auntie. She can write it in 4 different languages. .... Let me know. :laugh:
Thanks
Wolfgang
 

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