Question on byf45
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heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
Not the expert but I'd have to say this is not one of the possibly correct configurations for a byf45. IIRC their SK rifles had the drilled hole w/ no takedown disc but still had the bayonet lug. This one is opposite that.
NathanLM
Senior Member
Just to confirm, you are saying there is no bayonet lug, not that there is not a front band?
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
I took it as that being what he meant, especially in light of the auction photo he uploaded. That stock is most likely from one of the Brunn factories IHMO.
hale1940
Canadian Fabio
Are these MO semi-kriegs in MO produced stocks? Implying that MO made semi-krieg stocks for a very short period of time, or did they pick up a batch from somewhere else?
hale1940
Canadian Fabio
Interesting. So basically there was a short sliver of time when MO was doing semi-kriegs before they went into full kriegmodell mode?
mauser99
Senior Member
these seemed to have come after as true first type KM show up in the L block byf44// So this one and the bcd45 were head not common. I think even the byf44 zf41 was in an odd stock.
Yes, or mixed features is probably a better description since you have nearly every configuration. This is an L block:
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Stock summary for late MO
Here is my list of all available stock types on Mauser Oberndorf late war:
In house:
1. Standard Stock: Laminate
2. Semi-kriegs with bayo lug but no TD disk: Walnut and Laminate
3. Semi-kriegs without bayo lug but with TD disk: Laminate (scarcest of the group)
4. Full kriegs: Walnut and Laminate, Odd size laminate (narrower than Steyr pattern)
Externally supplied:
5. Menzel 'c' full stock with TD and bayo lug: Laminate
6. Sauer diverted full stocks (both small and large TD disks): Laminate
Mike and I predict that one day an elm stock will surface in one of the in-house configurations.
There are elm handguards that show up randomly in late war production.
Here is my list of all available stock types on Mauser Oberndorf late war:
In house:
1. Standard Stock: Laminate
2. Semi-kriegs with bayo lug but no TD disk: Walnut and Laminate
3. Semi-kriegs without bayo lug but with TD disk: Laminate (scarcest of the group)
4. Full kriegs: Walnut and Laminate, Odd size laminate (narrower than Steyr pattern)
Externally supplied:
5. Menzel 'c' full stock with TD and bayo lug: Laminate
6. Sauer diverted full stocks (both small and large TD disks): Laminate
Mike and I predict that one day an elm stock will surface in one of the in-house configurations.
There are elm handguards that show up randomly in late war production.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
That's even more interesting... and odd to me. Any idea how short lived these variations were in production? Seems like you can follow K98k rifles for a long time and still keep finding things you've never seen before.
DukeIronHand
Senior Member
The mixing of parts in rifles (with a dozen possible variations between individual rifles) as a particular model is changed is not unknown - and I can only imagine German weapon manufacturing and assembly plants in 1945. There are probably a score of “unique K98 models.”
With the K98’s cousin, the venerable Springfield 1903, Remington took over production originally making them with milled parts and the original sights as always. As WW2 progressed (late ‘42/early ‘43’ish?) in a effort to speed production the (America’s Krieg model?) 1903A3 was introduced with stamped parts and the now standard rear peep sight.
The 1903A3 didn’t just appear overnight and new production stamped parts started being used in the still ongoing 1903 production (and during repairs and refurbs) sometimes being called (incorrectly I was told) the “1903 Modified.” A 1903 Modified could have just one stamped part or several different ones. And this even applied to stocks leading to the notorious (definitely Krieg to me) “Recoil Pin Model” with nails (essentially) instead of reinforcing bolts leading to further variations as production and repairs progressed.
I find the analogy between the K98 and 03 interesting. I further wonder how many “humped” K98’s were actually factory made as milled/stamped/whatever parts were being changed over or used because of supply issues. How many factory made K98’s have been “fixed” by post war collectors?
And as a disclaimer the above is by memory after one cup of coffee in the pre-dawn darkness.
With the K98’s cousin, the venerable Springfield 1903, Remington took over production originally making them with milled parts and the original sights as always. As WW2 progressed (late ‘42/early ‘43’ish?) in a effort to speed production the (America’s Krieg model?) 1903A3 was introduced with stamped parts and the now standard rear peep sight.
The 1903A3 didn’t just appear overnight and new production stamped parts started being used in the still ongoing 1903 production (and during repairs and refurbs) sometimes being called (incorrectly I was told) the “1903 Modified.” A 1903 Modified could have just one stamped part or several different ones. And this even applied to stocks leading to the notorious (definitely Krieg to me) “Recoil Pin Model” with nails (essentially) instead of reinforcing bolts leading to further variations as production and repairs progressed.
I find the analogy between the K98 and 03 interesting. I further wonder how many “humped” K98’s were actually factory made as milled/stamped/whatever parts were being changed over or used because of supply issues. How many factory made K98’s have been “fixed” by post war collectors?
And as a disclaimer the above is by memory after one cup of coffee in the pre-dawn darkness.
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