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südost

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Hi guys,
I'm collecting Ww2 and WW1 militaria now for 18 years and living in Austria.
Last week i finally found a resto Project k98k only Receiver and barrel in a Attic burried there since 1945 when the soldiers left. But i ran into a little bit of a problem the receiver is blank the only marking i can spot at the moment is on the right Receiver Side a waa 359 (Walther) and i think a g underneath. The Barrel Is stamped cxm and bys. Serial number Is 284. Can someone date it and please can give me advice wich stock do i need. I'm not sure if it was like a mixed version build together with spares.
Thanks in advance
Lukas
 
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Hi guys,
I'm collecting Ww2 and WW1 militaria now for 18 years and living in Austria.
Last week i finally found a resto Project k98k only Receiver and barrel in a Attic burried there since 1945 when the soldiers left. But i ran into a little bit of a problem the receiver is blank the only marking i can spot at the moment is on the right Receiver Side a waa 359 (Walther) and i think a g underneath. The Barrel Is stamped cxm and bys. Serial number Is 284. Can someone date it and please can give me advice wich stock do i need. I'm not sure if it was like a mixed version build together with spares.
Thanks in advance
Lukas
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The bys and cxm makes me think BCD but the walther proof could possibly be a commercial example since the receiver is blank. We need pics to help you but there should be some commercial looking proof marks and a 4 digit number on the bottom of the barrel IF it's a commercial rifle. Pics will help us identify your barreled action much more easily.
 
Thanks for the first informations. I post pics later but everything it's a little bit rusted so I have to use the messing brush to excavate those stamps.
 
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Thanks for the first informations. I post pics later but everything it's a little bit rusted so I have to use the messing brush to excavate those stamps.
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Be careful doing this, you can end up doing a lot of damage removing rust in the wrong way.

Use a brass brush (real brass, not cheap brass coated steal), bronze wool, or a 100 copper chore boy if it's really stubborn. Don't use any abrasives or chemical rust removers, and certainly no polishing compounds.

edit: a cartridge casing hammered flat can be used as a scraper for the really stubborn stuff.

edit 2: a BRASS cartridge casing, don't go using steel cased surplus or wolf etc.
 
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Be careful doing this, you can end up doing a lot of damage removing rust in the wrong way.

Use a brass brush (real brass, not cheap brass coated steal), bronze wool, or a 100 copper chore boy if it's really stubborn. Don't use any abrasives or chemical rust removers, and certainly no polishing compounds.

edit: a cartridge casing hammered flat can be used as a scraper for the really stubborn stuff.

edit 2: a BRASS cartridge casing, don't go using steel cased surplus or wolf etc.
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Thanks for the tip. I wanted to boil it before removing rust and then of course use a real brass brush. Boiling should be ok or?
Tomorrow I will do everything today was a busy day at work.
 
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I'm by no means the expert on conservation/restoration of a rifle but I think this warrants a boil and card with this example. Also I think this may be a commercial rifle, hopefully the threads on the barrel aren't pitted bad because someone tried imo to remove the barrel. Coulda been and attempted sportizing project. Once the rust is off/cleaned up more about this action should come to light as too what it is. The receiver ring doesn't look scrubbed to me and the third pic looks like there could be a crown N proof which gives more support to being a commercial action.
 
Tomorrow I'm going to start the project.The threads looks good. The elderly man told me that the gun was left at the farm in 1945, and his father wanted to do something with it but never finished it.
So the rifle had been built for the market and later got sources for the forces or? Thanks @Jdt for helping. 👍
 
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Tomorrow I'm going to start the project.The threads looks good. The elderly man told me that the gun was left at the farm in 1945, and his father wanted to do something with it but never finished it.
So the rifle had been built for the market and later got sources for the forces or? Thanks @Jdt for helping. 👍
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Commercial rifles were built for ammunition factories so they could test there lot production of ammo and could tweek things if needed when performing unsatisfactory with the commercial rifle examples. Typically built from depot spares or rejected parts the weapon inspectors didn't pass.
 
Thank you very much. Yeah that was an commercial rifle. I would say the barrel has also the upsidedown heart. Unfortunately the other parts are missing but now I'm going to source a nice stock.
 
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Thank you very much. Yeah that was an commercial rifle. I would say the barrel has also the upsidedown heart. Unfortunately the other parts are missing but now I'm going to source a nice stock.
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There is evidently a guy in Poland making clone correct 98K and G/K43 stock sets. From what I've seen and also heard they are very good quality stocks. I'm considering getting one myself for a duv 42 Gustloff werke assembled rifle myself since the original stock has a crack in it so I'm not gonna use that stock for anything except to display it.
 
I personally advocate against boiling and carding but that’s just me. I tend to be extremely conservative. I’d go at that first with bronze wool and see what I could do. I’ve surprised myself in the past fixing some real rust buckets that way.
 
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@Jdt I think I know the guy I ordered a stock for another project from.him.
@Cyrano4747 do you soak the wool with ballistol or rub it dry? Wanna try it your way.
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Looked for him on Google and because I couldn't remember his business name and it's Fox militaria. Hopefully he's doing ok and caught up on orders.
 
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Thanks. I didn't know him. Have another guy. Can pm you his contact if you are interested.
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Currently paying off another Luftwaffe rifle so not right now, but I'll keep a mental note and message ya when I'm ready to get a new production stock. :) thanks partner!
 
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@Jdt I think I know the guy I ordered a stock for another project from.him.
@Cyrano4747 do you soak the wool with ballistol or rub it dry? Wanna try it your way.
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The nice thing about how I do it is that if it ends up not working you can always step up to more aggressive treatments like boiling/carding. You can always ratchet things up, but you can't undo them once done.

As for the stock, post some pics. A lot depends on what kind of condition it's in. That said, I try to avoid soaking wood in anything. There have been a LOT of stocks out there ruined by someone who slathered it in oil thinking they needed to "feed" it or the like.

(THAT said, there are collectible stocks and there is lumber that you want to get back to being part of a shooting rifle. There is a time and a place for getting aggressive, but it's something I reach for less and less as the years go by. I'll also add that much like the metal you can always get more aggressive down the road if you're unhappy with the gentler results)
 
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