Need help seeing if a Gewehr 41(W), G41 is worth asking price

flyfightwin1947

flyfightwin1947

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I found a lead on a Gewehr 41(W), or G41, for sale, but I'd like to hear opinions on whether it's worth the asking price. The seller is asking for $3,320 for a mismatch rifle with many parts missing, despite the fact that it has a stock and the visible numbers do match the rifle a DUV 43. From what I can tell, I listed the parts that I could see were missing, but there could be more; it has a reproduction gas tub on it I could tell due to it not having a serial number, and the nose cap pin tab is missing in the front of the sight base.

Missing Items: x13
1x lower handguard middle screw
1x front band
1x bayonet mount pin
1x rear band
1x sight hood
1x sight blade
1x cleaning rod
1x front barrel gas nozzle/Cone
1x actuator rod (op rod)
1x gas piston
1x recuperator spring box in wood stock
1x magazine follower
1x magazine spring

I've been looking for a mismatched shootable rifle priced between 2.5-3K, and this is the closest I've found so far. I understand how difficult and expensive it is to find parts such as the actuator rod and magazine items. I'd like to know if the seller's asking price is reasonable for a rifle with so many missing parts, or if I should pass on it. I would greatly appreciate any insight everyone could provide to help in deciding, or a better value I could offer for a rifle missing these parts. Thank you.
 
That's going pretty much over your price. And, those parts aren't an easy find. For a shooter, I would be hesitant in paying $3,300 dollars for something that's not ready to shoot. But, that's just me.

What's the serial number as I might have history with it in my serial number listings?
 
Tiger 2 Tank said:
That's going pretty much over your price. And, those parts aren't an easy find. For a shooter, I would be hesitant in paying $3,300 dollars for something that's not ready to shoot. But, that's just me.

What's the serial number as I might have history with it in my serial number listings?
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Yeah, that was my feeling, I think it's overpriced for a gun missing these parts but honestly, it's hard to tell value of G41 at times. Though is my estimate for a shooter grade mismatch for 3K undervalued you think?

There serial number is a DUV 43, 8008 f-block

Also just cause I'm interested I own a K43 wouldn't mind finding out if you might know more about its history. It's a AC45, 7898 c-block.
 
Hello,

No history on your ac45, but K.43 ac45 #7891c exists which of course is not too far off from yours.

And, no history on your G.41.

Thanks for the serial numbers. Sorry these didn’t pan out with some history.

$3k is not unheard of for a shooter, but this one is missing A LOT of parts on top of that price tag and they aren’t going to be easy to find. It really depends on the condition of the shooter as to what it’s worth.
 
Tiger 2 Tank said:
Hello,

No history on your ac45, but K.43 ac45 #7891c exists which of course is not too far off from yours.

And, no history on your G.41.

Thanks for the serial numbers. Sorry these didn’t pan out with some history.

$3k is not unheard of for a shooter, but this one is missing A LOT of parts on top of that price tag and they aren’t going to be easy to find. It really depends on the condition of the shooter as to what it’s worth.
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Appreciate you looking see if there was any history behind this G41, and my K43, fascinating to see my rifle has close retaliative for by serial numbers. What do you usually take for history for rifles if there is information you take for your database, I gladly help add my K43. Would love to hear what the sibling rifles history is if you don't mind either.

Feels like hitting a brick wall on finding one around 3k, as most sellers over price mismatch rifles but I guess who doesn't over price what they own. So, based on the condition of this G41 with its missing parts what would be a better price for a rifle in this condition do you think?
 
GunKraut said:
Most of the missing parts can be sourced as repros from France https://aassniper98.com/en/144-gew-41-walther
The op rod will be hard to find, mag follower and spring can be fashioned from MG13 parts https://www.gunboards.com/threads/poor-mans-walther-g41-mag-follower.492481/
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Yeah, I've looked at his website several times, and I estimated that restoring this rifle would cost another $1-1.5K if I got it. As you mentioned, the op-rod is the biggest issue, and the magazine follower and spring are still tricky because I don't have much machining experience. I believe it is overpriced for a gun that is missing these parts, but it can be difficult to determine the value of G41 at times.
 
The last op-rod that sold at auction (within the past year) sold for almost $1,000. Very tough to find part.

The rifle is listed on GunBOINKER: 1052761954
 
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dustoff1996 said:
The last op-rod that sold at auction (within the past year) sold for almost $1,000. Very tough to find part.

The rifle is listed on GunBOINKER: 1052761954

It's not worth $3,000 as shown let alone the missing parts.
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God, I had no idea that op-rods were so rare and expensive! Yup, I found the first G41 around 3K, and the last time I saw one was in February, but it was also missing parts. I believe it is overpriced for a gun that lacks these components, but determining the value of G41 can be difficult at times. So, based on the state of this G41 and its missing components, what do you think is a fair price for a rifle in this condition?
 
flyfightwin1947 said:
What do you usually take for history for rifles if there is information you take for your database
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I take any information someone will provide and add it to a particular rifle entry. Most of the information comes from photos.

Here’s K.43 ac45 #7891c entry which will give you an idea of what I look for:
(It shows that the rifle was an original one but there is still stuff that would need to be confirmed on it. You can compare it with yours.)

K.43
ac45 #7891c
Date: 06-02-20
www.gunbroker.com
“Gunsrc” Waddy, KY
comments: Rough forged receiver, wood hand guard, no front sight hood, scope/mount rig, manual dust cover, no bolt
hold open lever, scope mount mismatched to rifle (e/359 #4927), stock mill marks good/good wrist stamp/
good disassembly hash marks/stock is stained and not sanded, shown to match: receiver/bolt carrier. Has
buttstock accessories: firing pin/firing pin extension/wax wrapping (flaking apart)/ extractor. Seller reported
rifle as a dual lug receiver.

If this rifle pops up again in the future I will just add another entry below this one as to the updated info on it. Some rifles I have quite a bit of history on with different sellers and owners and conditions. Some, just the serial number, date and where I got the info.
 
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Tiger 2 Tank said:
I take any information someone will provide and add it to a particular rifle entry. Most of the information comes from photos.

Here’s K.43 ac45 #7891c entry which will give you an idea of what I look for:
(It shows that the rifle was an original one but there is still stuff that would need to be confirmed on it. You can compare it with yours.)

K.43
ac45 #7891c
Date: 06-02-20
www.gunbroker.com
“Gunsrc” Waddy, KY
comments: Rough forged receiver, wood hand guard, no front sight hood, scope/mount rig, manual dust cover, no bolt
hold open lever, scope mount mismatched to rifle (e/359 #4927), stock mill marks good/good wrist stamp/
good disassembly hash marks/stock is stained and not sanded, shown to match: receiver/bolt carrier. Has
buttstock accessories: firing pin/firing pin extension/wax wrapping (flaking apart)/ extractor. Seller reported
rifle as a dual lug receiver.

If this rifle pops up again in the future I will just add another entry below this one as to the updated info on it. Some rifles I have quite a bit of history on with different sellers and owners and conditions. Some, just the serial number, date and where I got the info.
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Greatly appreciated, find it fascinating well I'll try to give you a bit of detail on my rifle if it helps its history. Even have the archive of the sight page with the auction where I bought the rifle though I've restored it best I could. Feel free to ask anything else you want to know that could help.

K.43
ac45 #7898c, Bolt group: (e/359 #2241),
Purchased on April 23rd, 2022, took a year to fully restore

Original listing:

GS

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Comments: Rough forged receiver, it had modified Winchester stock (Replaced with solid stock finished in linseed oil has E/359 on right side of stock), no front sight hood (Replaced with reproduction), added original manual dust cover, no bolt hold open lever, added original flat butt plate, mismatch: receiver/bolt carrier (All parts in bolt carrier match), mismatch bolt group has bolt hold open. No buttstock accessories, Rifle has a dual lug receiver, and has cut out for forward lug.


Tried to add pictures of its current state and features but said the file size was too larger for the serve. If you're interested I can email images of the rifle in its current state.
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Why not find a nice G or K 43 shooter? Besides being easier to find and if you need parted they’re more accessible. The G41 is a nice idea but I have a collector grade one which I won’t fire due to being unable to find parts if I blow it up!
 
In my experience- it would be difficult to sell the G41W you described in your initial post in this thread, even completed and safety tested, for $3320.

In simple terms- it is very overpriced IMO.

I have a nice G41 I have been restoring for years. Still waiting for the right parts to show up. I have no illusions about it's value other than what it is worth to me as my own unique project.

If it helps- I paid $1500 for mine and it was similar condition to the one you posed about when I bought it. Hope this helps.
 
Northyuma said:
Why not find a nice G or K 43 shooter? Besides being easier to find and if you need parted they’re more accessible. The G41 is a nice idea but I have a collector grade one which I won’t fire due to being unable to find parts if I blow it up!
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Appreciate the idea already have a K43 ac45, in my collection one I had to restore from a sporter. So now on the hunt for a G41W. Understand it's a hard one to find but I honestly don't want a collector's grade one, just a simple mismatch shooter which shouldn't cost as much as a collector grade one. Though it seems this particular one is too overpriced for what's left of the seller's rifle from what I could tell.

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RampantLion said:
In my experience- it would be difficult to sell the G41W you described in your initial post in this thread, even completed and safety tested, for $3320.

In simple terms- it is very overpriced IMO.

I have a nice G41 I have been restoring for years. Still waiting for the right parts to show up. I have no illusions about it's value other than what it is worth to me as my own unique project.

If it helps- I paid $1500 for mine and it was similar condition to the one you posed about when I bought it. Hope this helps.
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Yeah, I agree, that's why unless the seller lower the price I won't try this fish. If he wanted 1.5K like yours I'd probably buy it honestly. but for over 3K that's not worth it. I simply want a rough, mismatch shooter grade for about 3k, but it looks like I have to wait till other pops up, if it's not overpriced like some of the mismatched rifles I've seen. Wish you luck on finding the parts to your G41. It's one of my top-3 rifles I've wanted for my collection.
 
My recommendation with any firearm is to only buy a gun that you're happy with the condition as it exists right now. It's rare that a project is a money saving proposition in the long run, and it's really, REALLY easy to end up with a safe full of half done projects that still don't do what you want them to do.

I could be tempted to get an incomplete firearm if it was something I really wanted for collecting purposes and the price was right, but it would have to be something so unusual or rare that I'd be fine with it if I never got the parts for it.
 
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