need help, question on vz-24 8 mm

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zippo 123

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Hi, could use some help…

my local pawn shop has a pretty decent looking vz-24 with the lions head crest on top of receiver.

However it appears the metal parts, including receiver and bolt, are some sort of parkerized, not blue which is what I think they should be.……..according to my research.
It does not look like a home private job…

Its an 8 mm….
did not notice any Nazi marks or Israeli marks

Were any Czech viz-24 ever parkerized? I read some of these were Parkerized by Israel and converted to 7.62 nato.


Could this be an Israeli rifle before it was converted to 7.62 nato?

thanks!!!!
 
Yes, could still be Israeli. They did use some k98k configured rifles in 8mm before rebarreling to 7.62 nato. If isreali, should still have star of david stamps on receiver or barrel. If not isreali then it would most likely be a postwar restoration done here in the US.
 
bnz41john said:
Yes, could still be Israeli. They did use some k98k configured rifles in 8mm before rebarreling to 7.62 nato. If isreali, should still have star of david stamps on receiver or barrel. If not isreali then it would most likely be a postwar restoration done here in the US.
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Thanks…need to go back and look on barrel.

Shop was asking $599. Bore was clean and shiny…
what do think? good price…..????
 
Without photos we can only guess. Might also be a post war made Czech Vz98N (K98k) rifle. Some of those got a Rampant Lion crest, and might have had a duller, parkerized like finish. The ones with that crest are often mistaken for a Vz24. Here is an example of such a rifle used by Israel and later converted to 7.62...
 

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Well went back to pawn shop and he had another vz-24….on wall this time..
liked it, and traded a gold 1/10 ounce coin, new benchmade knife and a used low end 380:pistol for it. He threw in a nice m1 ww2 garand bayonet which i needed as well.
see no import marks , really nice stock, tiny small nazi eagle stamp mark on receiver…bayonet…. made in 1927

Shop also has a really mint 1953 Mosin Nagant carbine shortie…mmmm may have to trade stuff for that for that too

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Pics not great for detail. But 1927 Czech army accepted then a waffenamt but none of the standard German modifications visually. Mine has both of the side sling swivels removed. Does the bolt close on an empty magazine. Germans machined the followers to do that. Any wood cartouches. Looks like a nice rifle.
 
yes bolt closes on empty mag. also serial numbers match on stock, receiver and bolt handle and bottom of magazine ..
 
Sorry my message wasn't written correctly. CZ made them close on open mag, Germans machined to stop them closing on open mag.
 
Depending on the benchmade model and what the 380 was probably about 400 to 500 in trade value for a very nice representative vz24.
I've got no idea what's going on with the german proof though, as redstar pointed out, it isn't very characteristic of a german rework and I dont have much confidence in it. Hopefully someone else chymes in on that one.
 
The rifle was captured probably by germans, and was re fireproofed, possible there was replaced barell in time, but wout remove handguard it would be impossible to say. The bayonet could be romanian contract piece, when not german proofed, made in Slovakia. Personally i doubt the serial on buttstock is czechoslovak, probably done by germans or later.
 
Looks good now. Bought a repro sling, sanded off all the color and shine, then oo steel wool it ,then soaked in neatsfoot oil and rubbed it in. Now the sling looks used and more appropriate.

Kind of stoked, found more matching numbers, so now matching numbers on stock, receiver, floor plate, floor plate screw, trigger guard screw, elevation sight…Bolt handle, and the slight ’possibiliy’ it might be an SS issued rifle as it has a Nazi Eagle test proof mark but essentially left as a Czech rifle, no K98 upgrades to it by Germans. VZ-24 were issued to the SS according to this article, in original Czech configuration, some were proof marked, some were not. It may have been a vet bring back because there are no import marks anywhere on rifle. Who knows, anyway It’s a nice piece of history.
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Nice Score. Good Trade. 👍

I'd be going back to pick up that MN Carbine. (They are appreciating pretty rapidly.) I have an M38 (Bring Back from my Dad) and an M44. (Both get shot on a semi-regular basis.)

*If it has a folding bayonet, it is an M44. If no Bayonet (and the stock is not inletted for one) it is the more difficult to find M38.
 
Ha. thanks….Its a 1953 post war Hungarian M44 Mosin Nagant he has in the shop. It is mint. It has the bayonet.

Honestly, I think they are kind of ugly….and bare bones arms……years ago you could not give them away for free….and now people want $700 and 800 dollars for them ……… Why? I do not get it…….
 
zippo 123 said:
Ha. thanks….Its a 1953 post war Hungarian M44 Mosin Nagant he has in the shop. It is mint. It has the bayonet.

Honestly, I think they are kind of ugly….and bare bones arms……years ago you could not give them away for free….and now people want $700 and 800 dollars for them ……… Why? I do not get it…….
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Same reason people want any historical firearm. They're a neat piece of history.

For what it's worth, the Mosin is a perfectly fine gun for the era it was designed in. A couple steps behind in the massive arms race that was going on in the late 1880s/early 1890s, but perfectly serviceable. It compares well to the Gew88, for example, which was the brand new contemporary German arm when the Mosin was first produced. You can have some really finely made ones as well. Finnish, Imperial Russian, or guns manufactured during WW2 as snipers are a totally different beast from your typical 1942 production rifle made with the Germans sitting mere miles outside of Moscow. Those are crude and were clearly made in rushed conditions, but using them as the metric that all other mosins are judged by is kind of like using a VG-5 or an extreme late model Kriegsmodell as your baseline for Mauser action quality.

The bolt on my Izhevsk m91/30 sniper in particular is extremely smooth and the action is all in all very nice. It's clear that they took their time on that and made a quality firearm.
 
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