Mystery "Sniper" K98

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Hi - first post here. I actually joined yesterday just to be able to download some pictures of K98k shipping crates, but come to you all today with a bit of a tangential mystery. I had been considering building a custom "shipping"/display crate for my two Mausers, based loosely on known originals, and hauled out one of the Mausers for reference.

The one I ended up grabbing was a '43 dated dou (Waffen Werke Brünn AG), not only my first Mauser purchase but likely my first rifle and WWII collectible as well (back c.1992). I probably paid ~$250 or so for it. The visible serial #s are all matching, but it appeared to have been sporterized - the stock was either varnished or laquered and the receiver had been drilled for a scope mount, though was missing said mount. The seller claimed that it was a sniper model, which at the time I bought like the chump I was/am :). I later concluded that I'd been taken, and just let it go at that. I considered finding a professional gunsmith/restorer who might be able to fill the holes in and restore the original markings, but figured that even if doable would be expensive.

So it has languished. However, when I looked at the rifle yesterday with regards to a display crate project I thought maybe I should pick up a blank side rail repro mount and actually fit it to the existing screw holes and have a "sort-of" German sniper rifle, if only to cover the unsightly holes. I had in the last year or so obtained a copy of Law's "Backbone of the Wehrmacht" volume 2 which covers the sniper versions, so I finally cracked the spine and started looking at the documented examples.

To my immense surprise the pattern of the hole exactly matched (in form, at least - I've not measured them to be sure) the screw hole pattern of the period side rail mounts, including the pin holes. Further, the stock had been professionally cut in that area to allow fitting of a side rail mount (see pictures). So I either have a K98 what was originally built as a sniper variant, or it was professionally faked at some point to be a "sniper model".

I'm leaning more towards fake because the way the stock is cut would suggest a long side rail rather than a short rail. However, according to Law, only JP Sauer & Sohn and Gustloff Werke made those, and then only in 1944, whereas my rifle is a different maker and the date is 1943. So while nicely done, it does not appear to be authentic to me.

(A possible in between scenario: rifle was originally built to take a short rail, but someone later on, perhaps even during the war but more likely much later, modified the stock to take a long rail mount)

What do you all think?

Going beyond that, would an Accumount long side rail reproduction work with this? If so, I'll probably get and install it, if only to cover those darn holes!

Thanks in advance for any insight you all can provide.
 

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Its a fake , that said , the screw pattern looks like that of a Short Side Rail Base , regardless of what it actually is its not an original sniper because DOU rifle were never used to make a SSR or any other type of sniper rifle .
 
What's the difference between the SSR and LSR bases? The screw and pin patterns visually appear to be the same, which is why I ask.
 
(L)ong (S)ide (R)ail , (S)hort (S)ide (R)ail. The LSR
mount and base were longer and had more surface area for mounting strength. These were used on rifles with special receivers
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I meant from the standpoint of the mounting screws, primarily. I was aware of the surface area change and the thickened receiver wall, I was just wondering about the screw spacing.
 
I meant from the standpoint of the mounting screws, primarily. I was aware of the surface area change and the thickened receiver wall, I was just wondering about the screw spacing.
Actually an excellent question and I can find no reference in the threads if this has been discussed as far as hole pattern spacing.
As you have observed, by design, the area of the receiver that could be drilled and tapped for maximum holding torque is limited. Knowing the Germans, the optimum spacing was already figured out for the SSR base and possibly carried over.
 
There was no need to change the positioning of the mountings screws because that was not an issue , although the size of the screws were changed on SSR Base , originally SSR bases used 3mm screws and later ones used 4mm size screws and same 4mm size screws on LSR bases . There was not a issue with SSR bases once the larger 4mm screws started being used and locking screws were added , the issue was with the Mount moving reward under recoil of the rifles firing this was also fixed by adding center locking screw in the Mount . LSR Mounting system solved this issue but it also added weight and stresses to the receiver which is likely why the special thickened receiver was needed
 
I would agree - someone made an SSR clone. Waffen Meister has the best reproduction base/mount for the money. I have an original Saure "ce" SSR with original base and his reproduction top mount slid right on!

As mentioned the rifle is incorrect for an SSR but since drilled and tapped anyhow - make a clone and enjoy - luckily it can never be passed off successfully as an original - at least not to an educated buyer.
 
I would agree - someone made an SSR clone. Waffen Meister has the best reproduction base/mount for the money. I have an original Saure "ce" SSR with original base and his reproduction top mount slid right on!

As mentioned the rifle is incorrect for an SSR but since drilled and tapped anyhow - make a clone and enjoy - luckily it can never be passed off successfully as an original - at least not to an educated buyer.
I'm inclined to do this. Technically though the stock seems to have been cut for the LSR - would it be possible to fit an LSR instead? I think not, given that I don't have a thick receiver, but someone seems to have made it work once upon a time!

I tend to disagree, not even straight that cut :D
You're right - I relooked at the pictures and it really sticks out like a sore thumb. Also the roughness on the rear portion of the cutout. The varnish hides a lot of sins!
 
LSR reproduction mounts are all over the place and the pin and screw holes do not always line up consistently. The slide rails are also different - I have some original scopes with upper mounts and I have tried to make them fit 3x reproduction bases and the bases are not even close to original spec.

Reproduction bases usually come with an insert to make the receive 'thick walled" and ensures that the flat sided base secures to a round receiver.

You may want a donor stock and do a better cut out yourself for base.

Lots of options - or simply pass the project on.
 
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