Mauser - 1939/1940 Liabilities due to deliveries of goods and services
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Guillaume d'Orange
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Thanks, some companies are still in business.
Mansfeld, Hahn & Kolb make tools and machines.
Blomberger ? Provider of wood for the stocks ?
Cyrano4747
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Friedr. Krupp of Essen is a real head scratcher. We'll never figure out what that means.
Cyrano4747
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Jokes aside, Thaleswerk in Rastatt is an interesting one and tells us that this likely includes admin expenses. They used to make mechanical calculators, likely purchased for the accountants or something similar.
It's not impossible that they pulled a RockOla and switched over to wartime manufacture of similar fiddly small parts (I dunno, rear site assemblies or something) but I kind of doubt it . The Germans didn't do nearly as much swapping over of peacetime production as the Allies did.
It's not impossible that they pulled a RockOla and switched over to wartime manufacture of similar fiddly small parts (I dunno, rear site assemblies or something) but I kind of doubt it . The Germans didn't do nearly as much swapping over of peacetime production as the Allies did.
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Cyrano4747
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G. Kärger was a lathe manufacturer. It's interesting to see them spending so much on a capital outlay, I wonder if they were expanding production? It could have just been replacement parts or a maintenance contract or something if those were offered back then, but it seems a bit much to be writing checks for 2x the amount as you're giving Krupp if that's the case.
Otto Mansfeld is an odd one, and most interesting as it's the single biggest line item by far. I'm mostly turning up a mining company by the same name, but not located anywhere near Stuttgart. I'm also a bit at a loss what Mauser would be directly buying from a mine (as opposed to a refining company) except for maybe coal and I can't imagine they were going through enough coal for it to be their #1 expense. That's where I'd start my digging on this particular list.
The cast steel on line 2 is pretty self explanatory.
Hahn + Kolb is a tool company and still around. My earlier comments about Kärger also apply here. Having your #3 expenditure be tooling is pretty significant.
AEG electrical and unless I'm mistaken AEG Berlin is turbines. Which would make sense if they were doing a big expansion that year and needed to up their on-site generation capabilities.
Nabenfabrik Alfing is a metalworking company that's still around under a slightly different name. Some light poking around suggests they mostly did big metal forms, the kind of thing you'd use in building construction etc.
Bizerba is an odd one, they make industrial scales.
Looks like after that we're into raw materials. The next two are wood companies which tracks as the stock was the most expensive component, and then a stainless steel company.
Andreas Daub is another interesting one. They were (and are) a jewlery company. Maybe my earlier comment re: Thales was wrong and there was a fair bit more converting of small manufacturing than I'd thought, or maybe they were providing something directly that Mauser could use. This is one that someome should do some more digging on, I'm pretty sure the answer will be interesting. edit: Ok, I have another source (Deutsche Fertigungskennzeichen bis 1945) that lists them as a jewlery and chain company so that might make some sense. Still that's a big expendature on chains (and presumably fine ones at that if it's coming from a company that also makes jewlery) if that' what it is. I'd also put in a hedge bet that it could be watches or clocks, as that was frequently intermixed with jewlery back then. Their manufacturer code was jqb if anyone has ever seen a part coded that way.
I'm going to stop there for now.
Otto Mansfeld is an odd one, and most interesting as it's the single biggest line item by far. I'm mostly turning up a mining company by the same name, but not located anywhere near Stuttgart. I'm also a bit at a loss what Mauser would be directly buying from a mine (as opposed to a refining company) except for maybe coal and I can't imagine they were going through enough coal for it to be their #1 expense. That's where I'd start my digging on this particular list.
The cast steel on line 2 is pretty self explanatory.
Hahn + Kolb is a tool company and still around. My earlier comments about Kärger also apply here. Having your #3 expenditure be tooling is pretty significant.
AEG electrical and unless I'm mistaken AEG Berlin is turbines. Which would make sense if they were doing a big expansion that year and needed to up their on-site generation capabilities.
Nabenfabrik Alfing is a metalworking company that's still around under a slightly different name. Some light poking around suggests they mostly did big metal forms, the kind of thing you'd use in building construction etc.
Bizerba is an odd one, they make industrial scales.
Looks like after that we're into raw materials. The next two are wood companies which tracks as the stock was the most expensive component, and then a stainless steel company.
Andreas Daub is another interesting one. They were (and are) a jewlery company. Maybe my earlier comment re: Thales was wrong and there was a fair bit more converting of small manufacturing than I'd thought, or maybe they were providing something directly that Mauser could use. This is one that someome should do some more digging on, I'm pretty sure the answer will be interesting. edit: Ok, I have another source (Deutsche Fertigungskennzeichen bis 1945) that lists them as a jewlery and chain company so that might make some sense. Still that's a big expendature on chains (and presumably fine ones at that if it's coming from a company that also makes jewlery) if that' what it is. I'd also put in a hedge bet that it could be watches or clocks, as that was frequently intermixed with jewlery back then. Their manufacturer code was jqb if anyone has ever seen a part coded that way.
I'm going to stop there for now.
Otto Mansfeld was a primary supplier of raw steel to Mauser, hence the very large RM amount.
Of note is that both the top two in accounts payable are steel suppliers.
Below is a materials ack. from Mauser for 403kg of steel from Mansfeld for the rear sight leaf spring.
Of note is that both the top two in accounts payable are steel suppliers.
Below is a materials ack. from Mauser for 403kg of steel from Mansfeld for the rear sight leaf spring.
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Guillaume d'Orange
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Yes, I made a mistake about Mansfeld.
Daub is/was located in Pforzheim which is/was a place of clockmakers.
Most wristwatches (incl B-Uhr) that were made in Germany and issued to the Wehrmacht were made by companies in Pforzheim. The city was obliterated by air attacks in 1944.
These companies also made mechanisms for time-fuses.
Cyrano4747
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Mauser was also making bigger weapons like the MG151 so it might well have been something related to something other than small arms.
Fal Grunt
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This would have been coil strip material, approx 900 lb coil, (just a weeee little guy), figuring a spring weighs about 5g, ignoring loss, about 81,000 rear sight springs.
I meant to post this earlier. There are a LOT of cogs in the wheel if you will. Chain could be for anything from heat treat furnaces, to material carts (front steer wheels were often "antiquated"), or a roller/bicycle chain for machinery, silent drive chains, or even some of the bigger weapons.
Since Mauser made adding machines, they may not have bought those from Thaler, but there are any number of "manual" devices needed. And thaler may have converted to producing near anything. There are a lot of springs in adding machines, they could have been making springs, component parts, or other parts/pieces that didn't go into finished product.
Lots of great ideas!
