“Late war winter trigger guard”??

Navy87Guy

Navy87Guy

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I ran across a GB listing for a dot 45 and this caught my eye:

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The listing calls it a “late war winter trigger guard”. Being relatively new to K98k’s, I pulled out the “Bible” and checked both the chapters on Brünn Werke I and Evolution in the Wartime Period. Neither mentions anything about a “winter” trigger guard. Is it really a “thing” or is it off another kind of Mauser (and being passed off as “original, all matching”)?

FWIW, they assembled the gun with the rear band on backwards…they have the sling swivel on the right side. So they aren’t exactly K98k experts!!

I’m not interested in buying it…just trying to see if it there’s something new to learn about or if it’s just a Frankengun.

Thanks!!
 
@Zeppelin5000 - That makes sense - the whole gun is a hot mess. The stock has no disc of any kind and the butt plate has a through hole at the bottom. The only ones I’ve seen like that were Israeli 7.62 conversions.
 
These are actually covered in "Kriegsmodell Vol.3". It was a wartime design from Mauser that never made it to the production phase - a version was used on a simplified K98k sample, and some wartime used Mauser simplified triggerguards with this same enclosed box magazine with no removable floorplate that look identical to this but having a normal trigger bow were used at Mauser, I think with some even showing up on factory L block or no letter byf45's.

www.k98kforum.com

2nd Mauser Designed Late War Trigger Housing Surfaces

This is the 2nd known transitional trigger housing that has been reported. Farb found the first one and now this one came out of a small shop in NH. Supposedly the rifle has been sporterized but it exists and trying to identify what it is? It may be a late Oberndor 44 'l' block but that is not...
www.k98kforum.com www.k98kforum.com
 
mrfarb said:
was a wartime design from Mauser that never made it to the production phase - a version was used on a simplified K98k sample, and some wartime used Mauser simplified triggerguards with this same enclosed box magazine with no removable floorplate that look identical to this but having a normal trigger bow were used at Mauser, I
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I’m a novice - but the photo looks nothing like the design in the post you linked. The one posted has a significant “bump” in the front guard (kind of like late war Nambu Type 14’s). One of the drawings shows a slight bulge but nothing like the photo. It looks much more Czech (now that I know what I’m looking for).

What small shop in NH had the example that was found? I may have to head over there… 😉
 
these typically show up on the immediate post war dot 44 /45 and scrubbed rifles that went exported to the IDF and middle east. But, the Farb is correct and wartime blue prints prove it.
 
I guess you should look closer? There are 2 different drawings of the 2 different types, the drawing of the style pictured in Bruce's photo is depicted exactly as shown in the drawing.
 
mrfarb said:
I guess you should look closer? There are 2 different drawings of the 2 different types, the drawing of the style pictured in Bruce's photo is depicted exactly as shown in the drawing.
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Nope..the one in the photo has a much greater radius than the drawing shows - and the rear connection is much flatter and longer..

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Oh, I see - I was talking about the other one Bruce posted. This drawing is of the type used on the late Mauser K98v - I'm sure it was modified before the Czechs made them as the bow is different as you stated. The postwar triggerguards used at Brünn were however drawn at Mauser during the war - but could have been altered postwar to make the bow bigger, or could have been done wartime at Mauser - we may never know because we only get partial wartime documentation to verify such things. I guess the basic design was done by Mauser would be the proper way to say it.
 
Either way, going back to the original question, it's pretty safe to say that if you're seeing one in the wild it's a post-war Czech guard. They showed up in pretty large numbers around the early 00s if memory serves, especially on Israeli guns.

Basically any time you see "late war winter trigger guard" you know it's not actually a WW2 part. That phrase in particular became really, really common for describing these things despite its inaccuracy, to the point where it's just become one of those standard seller phrases. Presumably because they google around to find out what the guard is and find it somewhere.
 
@Cyrano4747 - Thanks - that's good to know.

There's definitely a lot of misinformation out there associated with K98 listings. I'm glad I have the references available -- people post all kinds of nonsense. I saw two separate examples this weekend of listings with the rear band on backwards and the sling on the wrong side of the rifle! :oops: Another one had a Yugo crest and was listed as a WII "bring back". Part of what I enjoy about the hobby is learning the details, so info like this is helpful. I just wish the other Karem/Steves books weren't $400 each!!
 
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