Kar98a or as
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BATANGUENO
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Hello,
Your question must be in the Imperial Area...
In fact the Mauser Carbine A is coming from the short German carbine development in the beginning of the 1900's this carbine got the bajonet lug for the seitengewehr model 98 bajonet it means in German ;"Aufplanz vorrichtung fur das seitengewehr 98"
This short carbine was a short barrel version and not long used by the German Army ,it was awkward and was not really usable for the powerful 8 mm S-munition.
The carbine that we here always discussing on the site and preferred the name A is in fact really named AZ by the Germans
This was in fact a short rifle development of the carbine,the barrel was longer and it got the bayonet lug but there was also a stacking hook.
In German this means "mit aufplanz-und Zusammensetz vorrichtung"
So at the end of the development the carbine 98 it was really called the "AZ" because it got the bayonet 98 block and it got also the stacking lug to put the carbine together in rotten.
Greetings Bat
.Kar.98AZ is the designation for certain pre 1908 trials rifles.
After the introduction of these carbines in 1908 as standard carbine, the correct designation was "Karabiner 98".
The designation Karabiner 98A (Kar. 98A) was introduced in the mid 1920's, when the Reichswehr had to differentiate the Imperial Karabiner 98 from the newly "developed" Karabiner 98b.
After the introduction of these carbines in 1908 as standard carbine, the correct designation was "Karabiner 98".
The designation Karabiner 98A (Kar. 98A) was introduced in the mid 1920's, when the Reichswehr had to differentiate the Imperial Karabiner 98 from the newly "developed" Karabiner 98b.
BATANGUENO
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What is the estimated number of the AZ trials rifles produced? Was there any distinguishing differences from the regular, post 1908 production Kar. 98 and the trials rifles? I know the "a" and "b" designations came latter, but looking at Ball's Book, it also lists the first early short barrel carbines as Kar. 98(a) as Bat mentioned. Was that simply a distinction between the short barrel carbines and the AZ short rifle length trials version at that time? I know some of Ball's info is dated.
BATANGUENO
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I can just confirm what Amberg is telling here,I found this in an old "Deutsche Waffen Journal" from 1984....
Hans Dieter Gotz is writing in there ;" that for the trials with longer barrels in 1906..
"the Germans tested 100 guns without the stacking hook and 706 guns (Z) with the hook..... "
He got this information from the German Army museum from Ingolstadt.
On the 16 January of 1908 the Kaiser Wilhelm decided that the Kar AZ with bajonet lug and with stackinghook should be produced under the name
" Kar.98 "
The name " kar.98 a" was introduced by the Reihswehr in 1923 ...to divert it from the Kar. 98 b....
Those short barrel Kar 98 guns where send to the colonials or South America (new barrel in 7 mm)
greetings Bat
Hans Dieter Gotz is writing in there ;" that for the trials with longer barrels in 1906..
"the Germans tested 100 guns without the stacking hook and 706 guns (Z) with the hook..... "
He got this information from the German Army museum from Ingolstadt.
On the 16 January of 1908 the Kaiser Wilhelm decided that the Kar AZ with bajonet lug and with stackinghook should be produced under the name
" Kar.98 "
The name " kar.98 a" was introduced by the Reihswehr in 1923 ...to divert it from the Kar. 98 b....
Those short barrel Kar 98 guns where send to the colonials or South America (new barrel in 7 mm)
greetings Bat
