K98 supressor?

[Byf43]

Hello guys,

I have a question. I saw this piece and I never saw one before.
Should be a supressor for the K98 but I can not find a lot info about K98 supressors on the internet.
Does anyone here know what type it is? If its original or repro and what its worth?

 

[pwcosol]

Unfortunately, the suppressor for Kar98k is such a rare item, very few collectors have even seen photos (let alone the device itself). I do believe there may be some small numbers of reproduction. Though I have never physically observed a example, the photos you posted certainly look like what one might expect to see. It seems there are variations and I did find a photo of a example similar to the one pictured. However, there was a additional, somewhat blunt-nosed extension beyond the end of the primary tube. I would also think the price would be commensurate if the suppressor was bona-fide authentic. Lastly, you have come to the right Forum to bring attention to the suppressor, as the combined experience and knowledge of The Membership is second to none and am sure others will be commenting as well...

 

[biggymu]

Also beware, if it is a suppressor and you are in the states , without paper work, it’s not legal to own no matter how rare. Interesting to look at….
Would be nice if Absolut would respond. He has an original.

 

[Muncher 1953]

Also beware, if it is a suppressor and you are in the states , without paper work, it’s not legal to own no matter how rare. Interesting to look at….
Would be nice if Absolut would respond. He has an original.

Ja ja, you must fill out ze papers, pay $200 & wait til they feel like processing your application!
Ist VERBOTEN!!

 

[Byf43]

Don't worry, I saw this on a market in France, I asked if I could make some pictures for research, wich the owner agreed on.

 

[Absolut]

IMHO the K98k silencers with the intermediate chain piece on the clamping (so same style as GGG) are not original WWII period. I've seen similar ones as the one shown above which are clearly reproductions.

Forgotten Weapons did videos on some of my silencers, see here for original WWII period ones:

 

[Schmud0811]

Anyone have a good schematic or blueprint of one? This looks like a great project for a form 1

 

[Byf43]

IMHO the K98k silencers with the intermediate chain piece on the clamping (so same style as GGG) are not original WWII period. I've seen similar ones as the one shown above which are clearly reproductions.

Forgotten Weapons did videos on some of my silencers, see here for original WWII period ones:

Thank you for your response. The one I have here in the photo should be an L53, not L26. I have photos from a Museum in Dresden and when I compare them the clamp seems correct.

 

[borismg42]

Bonjour

here are some photos of mine.
This one is from an excavation and was found in eastern France.

 

[theduellist]

Great thread. I am sure I know the answer, but are repros of the L26 or L27 being made?

 

[Byf43]

Great thread. I am sure I know the answer, but are repros of the L26 or L27 being made?

I did read that someone made 2 high end repro's of one of those sillencers. But I can't find anything about the L53, the one I saw... there are almost no pictures of the L53 and I read that only 52 examples are made of this variant. Even if its a copy, the maker should have had acces to an original one or had very good pictures... I don't know... for now the mistery keeps unanswered...

 

[Blackpowderresearcher]

It's based on the Soviet BraMit suppressor which requires subsonic ammunition to work. Higher pressure (normal) ammunition is likely to blow out the two rubber washers. Excluding the mounting device (parts), the working part is virtually only four parts, excluding the rubber washers which had to be replaced regularly. It differs from the BraMit which mounted like a socket bayonet in having a clamp-on device secured by a lever. The Finns also copied the BraMit but made theirs mount via the bayonet lug. You can find more about it in Chapter 13 of the book WW II Snipers or David Truby's Silencers, Snipers and Assassins.

From the image I cannot discern any range markings; that is, the Soviets thoughtfully stamped on the body range markings that allowed the user to adjust the rifle's sights with suppressed ammunition. Different ammunition, different ballistics. The Soviets also distributed BraMits to their partisans along with the instruction that if no ammunition was available, to reduce the powder by one half. That's precision that would make a bench rest shooter cringe. Partisans used Bratmit equipped rifles for sentry removal so acts of sabotage could be performed. The Soviets also made one for the M-N revolver. Urrah! Urrah! Urrah!

 

[d.d.t]

Great thread. I am sure I know the answer, but are repros of the L26 or L27 being made?

Yes, I build them.

I am from germany and after just two years of paperwork I have the permit to build these. Actually I have the BRAMIT for Mosin Nagant. Next will be the L27 for the 98k and the BRAMIT-Style L23.
These are all "baffle" Silencers, but I make inserts to replace the rubber-baffles with a funnel made from steel. So you can use the silencer with normal ammunition without blowing it off.
The L26 has quite large and thin "funnels" inside. I have some problems making them.

If anyone has any information about WW2 Silencers (pictures, links, original piece in collection, relics, ... ) I would be very happy to get as much info as possible.

I plan to copy the whole bunch of WW2 era Silencers.

 

[Byf43]

Yes, I build them.

I am from germany and after just two years of paperwork I have the permit to build these. Actually I have the BRAMIT for Mosin Nagant. Next will be the L27...

Nice to have some life again into this post. Nice to hear about you making them, I alse read about a Belgian person who made some.

Can you tell me what you think of the L-53 in this post?

 

[d.d.t]

Can you tell me what you think of the L-53 in this post?

That`s the big question... As always.
There is an example in Dresden Museum. That looks like this piece and is an original. So we can prove that this kind of suppressor exists. In Internet i found a list, that says that the L53 is for MG42.
The example Byf43 showed us can be a L26 with different mount. And why not? These pieces were made by one by one at this time.
There are a mistakes in Museums as well.

I have never had my hands on original lists or documents. t is really hard to get reliable information about WW2 silencer. All my knowledge is from books, other collectors, dealers and original pieces.

I had the chance to examine two originals by now (L26-Schaetzle and L27). And I have the invitation to examine one other in the future.
I got some drawings of other collectors. Taken from relics or sometimes handmade copies of "original" blueprints I have never seen. Good start for reproducing and testing.

In the end I can only tell if there is an original L26-Schaetzle or an original L27. For all the others, I don't know enough yet to give a definite answer.


@borismg42 Wonderful relic of a L27

 

[Byf43]

Okay thanks for your reply. I agree, we can note the fact that the model exists because of the one in Dresden. Some people thought it was fake because they simply didnt knew about the existance of this model. I sent the photo's to one of the biggest Mauser collectors who thought it was original. He also sent the pics trough to another expert who also thought the same.
I am still not 100% sure. But is this is 1 of 52, it would be very awesome!