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well, I hope you do ok.. I commented on this one on ww2weapsonsforum. This is a left over duv42 assembled at Gustloff in the q block.. Not super scarce but a neat variant.
I hope the gamble pays off.. This is a 43 dated assembly not 42 as you might think.. Stock should be blank less C mark and small proof if any.
 
Yeah, I knew it was made from left over parts, not too common for sure.
I had to take the chance, auctions with good pictures are getting bid out of the stratosphere it seems..
Ten years ago I would never dream of dropping that much on one but now I guess there is a new normal.
Only thing on my side is watching a $100,000 CD gain close to 0% interest, so ANY half decent investment makes more sense.
 
Very bold going $2k with these pictures! It sold to the seller in 2013 (then the buyer) for $1800 (pictures of this earlier auction aren't great, but better than the current one... if you want them, let me know):

Berlin-Lubecker K98 8mm
Auction # 368079483

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Current Bid $1,800.00 No Reserve!
Started at $1,500.00
Buy Now! Price was $1,800.00


Quantity 1 # of bids 2 Bid History

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15 minute rule
Location Lansdale, PA 19446
Start 9/27/2013 1:50:10 PM ET (This is a 7 day auction)

Ends On or After 9/28/2013 3:38:46 PM ET (GunBroker.com Official Time)


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DellsFirearms A+(201)
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SKU C4746
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Description for Item # 368079483


This is an outstanding WW2 98K German rifle. It has the receiver markings DUV 42, for the manufacture Berlin-Lubecker, and year 1942. This rifle is ALL matching, and has ALL original finish. The cupped butt plate has the letters "brg". This is the subcontractor maker code for H.W. Schmidt. This butt plate is seen on other 1942 K98 Mausers. It is a WW2 Vet bring back. It has NO import marks. The original bluing is in 95% condition. The bore has sharp rifling and in very good to excellent condition. The stock finish is also in about 98%+. The wood looks excellent with a few small dings, it appears unsanded and original finish. If you have any questions please feel free to contact us. We do not charge a credit card fee. Sorry no sales to California.



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That's OK, he sent me much better pics than what he posted with the auction..makes me wonder why he did not load more.
He seems to only use his Iphone so maybe that's why..
 
kind of odd thinking but, the last guy made 200.00 on it in two years.. Not sure what the interest rate is on that 1800.00 in a two year CD,,, Just say you bought it cause you wanted it and worry about what you sell it for later.I think it will be many years before there is a profit to be made at that price in that condition.. Loewe seems to know the rifle and I hope for your sake its 100% correct. Not sure if it was sold with an inspection period ? Just saying..
 
chasdev said:
I'm a sucker for auctions with bad pictures, which this one has for sure, but after looking at the ones he emailed to me, I took the plunge.
I guess that makes me brave or stupid or maybe both.
Hopefully not out the bucks too.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496758875
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Chaz ,sometimes a gamble pays off , I have to say my averages on such has been 95% average on the good side . That only happens though with a deeper investigation into the item I wanted to buy and having more detailed knowledge on such an item than others have . Which helped to increase the odds in ones favor . From your post it sounds like you dug a bit deeper to increase your chances of a good out come . I hope it works out well for you also . Like to see good pics when You get it . Again Good Luck .

I had thought the same as You about this DUV and taking a chance , the only reason I did not was , It had no ZF41 Base on it . lol!!!!!!!

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mauser99 said:
kind of odd thinking but, the last guy made 200.00 on it in two years.. Not sure what the interest rate is on that 1800.00 in a two year CD,,, Just say you bought it cause you wanted it and worry about what you sell it for later.I think it will be many years before there is a profit to be made at that price in that condition.. Loewe seems to know the rifle and I hope for your sake its 100% correct. Not sure if it was sold with an inspection period ? Just saying..
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With BYF44's going for 4k, I think I may do OK in five or so years, barring another 2008 type financial crash.
Even so, I heard a rumor that they were going to stop making WWII rifles and they may become more scarce in future.
 
I agree that it wasn't much profit, - Probably had to move it and just wanted to get out even. Done that before myself...

Loewe doesn't know the rifle, not vouching for it at all, though between the two auctions it looks like the metal is right and the stock fits the variation (pictures aren't good enough to evaluate the rifle). The brg buttplate is almost universal in this range, the RS blank, the crossbolt. How it is serialed internally will make the case. It should be fully serialed inside, with suffix, though many seem to have been serialed by some dude with dyslexia, as often the "q" blocks are suffixed internally with "p" block.

As for when these were assembled, you need to examine the characteristics of the known rifles, - I am pretty sure these are a continuation of bcd/42 serialing, but most were probably actually assembled in 1943. If you examine enough of them it is pretty obvious why, but i will write up something on the MRJ blog this week, as it will fit with the last post I did on MB "dual codes". These are actually pretty interesting rifles and it will be interesting to see how Mike and Bruce handle the subject in V2.

mauser99 said:
kind of odd thinking but, the last guy made 200.00 on it in two years.. Not sure what the interest rate is on that 1800.00 in a two year CD,,, Just say you bought it cause you wanted it and worry about what you sell it for later.I think it will be many years before there is a profit to be made at that price in that condition.. Loewe seems to know the rifle and I hope for your sake its 100% correct. Not sure if it was sold with an inspection period ? Just saying..
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Hello,

great rifle I to have its previous auction pics and not much better. this rifle is for the BCD42 production of rifles made with DUV42 receivers. I also took a gamble on this rifle at a GB auction, tracking has it arriving tomorrow (Wednesday 7/29/15).

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=487557731


the more pics I requested make its to be a DUV rifle with a Recycled Brno 98/22 receiver but the pics were not great so we will see soon enough.



thanks
vaughn
 
Loewe said:
I agree that it wasn't much profit, - Probably had to move it and just wanted to get out even. Done that before myself...

Loewe doesn't know the rifle, not vouching for it at all, though between the two auctions it looks like the metal is right and the stock fits the variation (pictures aren't good enough to evaluate the rifle). The brg buttplate is almost universal in this range, the RS blank, the crossbolt. How it is serialed internally will make the case. It should be fully serialed inside, with suffix, though many seem to have been serialed by some dude with dyslexia, as often the "q" blocks are suffixed internally with "p" block.

As for when these were assembled, you need to examine the characteristics of the known rifles, - I am pretty sure these are a continuation of bcd/42 serialing, but most were probably actually assembled in 1943. If you examine enough of them it is pretty obvious why, but i will write up something on the MRJ blog this week, as it will fit with the last post I did on MB "dual codes". These are actually pretty interesting rifles and it will be interesting to see how Mike and Bruce handle the subject in V2.
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Sorry,, as I meant to imply only that you have had seen the better photos of it. Not that you were condoning the rifle or were associated with it in anyway.
 
Paid too much is right, wish it had been cheaper, but not enough to keep me from wanting it for my collection.
 
Rifle arrived today, all matching EXCEPT for the hand guard, which has the wrong number and bandspring which has a "1" on it, although that "may" be normal?
Great bore, great bluing, stock does have a "P" instead of a "Q" suffix.
I sent the seller an email asking to cancel the sale and refund in full, waiting to hear back from him now to see what he is willing to do, if anything.
 
If only the handguard is m/m, and all else is right, then you are ok regardless of what he decides. No bargain, but considering what lesser rifles are pulling (regularly), you still did alright.

Of course, nothing wrong with asking for a refund or compensation for the m/m handguard, - that is not a trivial issue, but not especially bothersome either. The seller really asked for it as he should have done more pictures or described it better (he did specifically say all matching both in title and description).

If you keep it, do some good pictures of it.
 
Is the stock messed with? Looks like it from the pics. I would not have risked it just due to that. As is, good luck
 
Stock has been stained pretty dark but having looked at it closely it appears to have been done a very long time ago.
Also the inside and under the trigger guard is still "in the white" and the stain was applied with all the metal installed, so it outlines the metal.
I'm torn, the metal parts are sweet, but the stock (and of course handguard problem) are not.
He replied to my first email but I wait or the next shoe to drop. I suppose is pondering his fate feedback wise.
If he blows me off I will probably keep it, at least it's not a byf44!
 
Another hard decision. Maybe a partial refund would be OK for both parties? I typically avoid leaving bad feedback since they will usually return the same. Working out another resolution usually works. Good luck.

Nobody has commented on the P/q but I would guess the problem was just an upside down stamp in the stock??
 
We agreed to a $200 refund, he did not know the handguard was off..so good feedback all around.
I'll post up pics Friday.
 
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