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Gew 98 to K98 conversion rifle question

Hello, I have searched the web looking for information on this rifle, I have found some info, But not as much as I'd like. What I believe I have is a Gew98 converted to K98. What puzzles me is I have yet to find a rifle that closely resembles what I have. The receiver reads JP SAUER & SOHN, SUHL, 1916. This rifle has what appears to have a Gew98 stock, cut down to K98 length, a Gew98 rear "Roller Coaster" sight, a Gew98 bolt that has been bent downward, simulating a K98 bolt (I compared to a true K98 bolt, the contour of the bend is close, but not close enough to consider it a K98 bolt, in my opinion), and lastly, the last 5 3/8" of the barrel has been turned down via lathe, and a K98 front sight installed. The serial numbers are all missed matched except the receiver and barrel. It also looks like the rifle has a Russian capture (X) mark on the left side of the receiver. My main questions are, Is it legit?, How common is this rifle?, What would be an approx. value of this rifle?. Any info is appreciated and I look forward to hearing some opinions!
Thanks,
Kraig
 

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My guess is the barreled action is a legit conversion. It apparently came in with the Russian Capture imports.

The rest of the rifle, including the Lange vezier sight appear "added" to me. The stock does not look like a cut down Gew 98 - butt swivel is wrong.

More pics would help.


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There is a cutout in the stock along the rear of the barrel. Did someone torture it to add a grenade launcher sight?
 
Regarding the other questions: it's a pile of parts at this point, none of which may be original to the action. It's hard to say what it was anymore.
 
Just looking at the contour of the stock rearward of the trigger, it's looks identical to a Gew98, at least to me. If not, what do you think the stock could be? Also, could those cuts behind the rear sight be slots for a upper handguard? A spring clip type, like an old No. 1 enfield? I will post some more pictures later.
 
Just looking at the contour of the stock rearward of the trigger, it's looks identical to a Gew98, at least to me. If not, what do you think the stock could be? Also, could those cuts behind the rear sight be slots for a upper handguard? A spring clip type, like an old No. 1 enfield? I will post some more pictures later.

If it were a Gew 98 stock cut down it would have take down washers or an ID disk on the right side - it doesn't have either - and as I said above the sling swivel is too far back. Looks like an FN short rifle contract stock to me because It is also a 1/2" short at the tip.


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Here are some more pictures. If their are any specific pictures you would like me to post, just let me know!. I appreciate all the input so far!
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Kraig
 

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It is highly unlikely that a LV-sighted rifle made it through the "Russian capture" process. They only kept what was compatible with the Kar98k design. You never see G98M, Vz.24, G.24(t), 33/40, etc, as a barreled action. You'll find parts for all these on RC's, but never barreled actions. And it's highly unlikely that many LV sighted rifles were in use to even be captured, as this rear sight was being phased out in 1934 and later.

IMO any LV sighted rifle would've been scrapped out by the Russians, just like they did the above rifles, cleaning rods, and locking screws.
 
If you don't believe it's a Russian capture, could that X mark mean anything else?. Also, are their any markings that could be hidden on the stock to determine exactly what country of origin it is?
 
This is a future deer rifle project. It's not period conversion anything. It's either an FN or south American stock , and yes the rear sight is too fresh for the condition. As well the front sight is a sloppy job of being moved back after barrel was shortened. There is in my pinion little to no collector value except in some parts. Otherwise it would make a good deer rifle project.
 

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