DUV 42 9984 r e/749 Gustloff assembled.

[Jdt]

Got this thru GB, it's got 3 mismatched parts along with a later capture screw, rest of the rifle matches along with the stock. It's now gonna be just a barreled action for awhile because the white wood rot fungus is pretty extensive thru out the stock but it's also got a crack as well at the cross bolt area so until I get the stock repaired and cleaned of the fungus the barreled action is homeless for minute. I may get a reproduction stock set tho so I can shoot this rifle alot and be guilt free in the process of not worrying with ruining and original stock. Shall see what the future holds for this example.

 

[Jdt]

Pics part 2

 

[Jdt]

Mismatched parts are, rear barrel band, barrel band spring (unmarked E/26 marked kinda neat) and a mismatched handguard.

 

[jimdvan]

Lacquer thinner or Naptha might kill the mold and not have a residual effect.

 

[Jdt]

Lacquer thinner or Naptha might kill the mold and not have a residual effect.

I'll look into that, I'm open to pretty much any ideas on how to kill it.

 

[Stephan98k]

I may get a reproduction stock set tho so I can shoot this rifle alot and be guilt free in the process of not worrying with ruining and original stock. Shall see what the future holds for this example.

This K98k was built with an "duv 42" coded Astrawerke receiver. In this series you can also find some "duv 42" coded Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik in-house receivers.

It is important to remove the fungus, but other than that I would not have anything else repaired on the stock. It's your decision, but also an extractor can break and for me this would be one of the last K98ks I would use as a shooter. If I had to shoot one, I would rather take my matching "147 1940" or "237 1939", but not this K98k.

A few years ago my eyes were better, but I'm not sure about the a E/26 on the band spring. You can look at it from different angles, could it also be a E/18?

 

[Jdt]

This K98k was built with an "duv 42" coded Astrawerke receiver. In this series you can also find some "duv 42" coded Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik in-house receivers.

It is important to remove the fungus, but other than that I would not have anything else repaired on the stock. It's your decision, but also an extractor can break and for me this would be one of the last K98ks I would use as a shooter. If I had to shoot one, I would rather take my matching "147 1940" or "237 1939", but not this K98k.

A few years ago my eyes were better, but I'm not sure about the a E/26 on the band spring. You can look at it from different angles, could it also be a E/18?

Hey Stephan, per taining to the barrel band spring I just checked again and I assure you it is "e/26" marked with no serial number and is the early milled type VS stamped band spring. The finish on the band spring does not match the front barrel band as well (original to the rifle) and the barrel band spring may also been refinished due to some old pitting on it. As to the stock, I'll take your word for it and leave the stock alone aside from killing the white wood rot fungus.
As to the shooter aspect I only use hand loads in 8mm so the concern for a broken extractor is not really warranted but that's just my view point and I understand where your coming from. I may use my S/42 1938 bolt m/m instead or my Luftwaffe 42 1940 since that rifle for sure has no bedding loss but I need to check the cross bolt lock nut due to now tight it's been cranked on and check for cracks there. So far the only one I for surely shoot at this time is my BNZ 44 SS contract due to the non Steyr stock and mint bore. Decisions decisions to make! Always a fun thing to navigate
I typically now shoot at 200 yards for groups on match targets with milspec hand loads and make some of the steel gongs at 230 yards sing. I stay away from Milsurp ammo now due to a negative experience with east German steel case cracking a humped army contract bnz 4 I use to own, bolt was locked up tight big time and took a rubber mallet to open and recracked the stock so I'm not going thru that again with any of my examples I have now or the foreseeable future.

 

[mauser99]

this is an interesting variant. We discussed one earlier this past year. What's interesting is DUV obviously gave up receiver production as they were switching over to G41 full time production.
The last few blocks of duv production show up with bcd41 receivers and this connection is Astrawerke who made these bcd marked receivers and obviously had these duv 42 receivers on hand or were being made then not needed and sent to Gustloff. So we have duv rifles with bcd receivers and duv rifles with bcd41 receivers.

Its the little things like this that really drove early collectors nuts and confused now things we like to own cause they are different.

 

[Jdt]

this is an interesting variant. We discussed one earlier this past year. What's interesting is DUV obviously gave up receiver production as they were switching over to G41 full time production.
The last few blocks of duv production show up with bcd41 receivers and this connection is Astrawerke who made these bcd marked receivers and obviously has these duv 42 receivers on hand or were being made then not needed and sent to Gustloff. So we have duv rifles with bcd receivers and duv rifles with bcd41 receivers.

Its the little things like this that really drove early collectors nuts and confused now things we like to own cause they are different.

I am a fan of the odd and confusing examples! I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the local DUV 42 Gustloff assembled example my dealer got from a local high school dude who was gifted that family heirloom rifle then sold it to my FFL dealer for $700. My dealer put it up on a penny auction on GB and it sold for 1400 and change in 2020 or 2021. That rifle was in very good condition and matching, chances are it probably didn't have white wood rot fungus either

 

[Stephan98k]

this is an interesting variant. We discussed one earlier this past year. What's interesting is DUV obviously gave up receiver production as they were switching over to G41 full time production.
The last few blocks of duv production show up with bcd41 receivers and this connection is Astrawerke who made these bcd marked receivers and obviously has these duv 42 receivers on hand or were being made then not needed and sent to Gustloff. So we have duv rifles with bcd receivers and duv rifles with bcd41 receivers.

Its the little things like this that really drove early collectors nuts and confused now things we like to own cause they are different.

Thank you, you mention some very important things.

This is one of the important topics, and this puzzle can only be solved if you study Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik and Gustloff-Werke intensively. I have been working on this topic since 2016 and often thought that I was very close to finding the answer. I have done serial number studies, which I learned here on the forum from historians like Paul Shomper and many helpful collectors with their data. A major problem is that the records from that time are incomplete and many documents have been destroyed. Thanks to the documents that have been preserved, many answers have been found in the past, but there are still some gaps in our knowledge. By the way, in most cases, the collectors assumptions and serial number studies were extremely close to reality.

I collected and studied the stock completion date codes and in many cases I was able to narrow down the time periods. Basically I used the "Shomper-System" again and that was the only way I was able to find more answers. As with barrel codes, stock completion date codes are often linear and very important. However, this is not always the case due to production interruptions and other reasons and this is important to note.
In 2016, I knew some documents, but often only part of a correspondence and therefore it is difficult or even impossible to draw really reliable conclusions from them. The context is usually hidden and must be found. I am not Raymond Babbitt, so I had to find a way to organize thousands of documents in order to draw important conclusions from them. Again I used the "Shomper-System" and just as I had entered the data from the K98k serial number study into excel spreadsheets, I did the same now with the documents. The documents are sorted by date, the content is noted in brief, as well as the context and historical links. Furthermore, I have almost all documents with the records of the discussion points at the Führer meetings between February 1942 and March 1945, in which the decisions of Adolf Hitler and the armaments minister Albert Speer are recorded. The Reich Ministry for Armaments and Munitions had its own newsletter with important laws and instructions in the armaments industry. The individual magazines from June 1943 to January 1945 are almost complete. I have also sorted these in the same way. I compare these data with each other, therefore I get some new answers.

My work is not better than that of others, I just continue it and refine some things. I am impressed by the "old collectors" and the difficult ways they had to gather information and create all the basic knowledge that we can work with today. I already had the advantage of the internet and I could find information quickly. One of the most important advantages I had was that German is my native language and therefore I can read between the lines in documents. If the "old collectors" had all spoken German and had the documents available that we have today, then they would certainly have solved all the mysteries already. Actually, I have no reason to continue my work, I'm not a collector and I'm only doing it to help Bruce and Mike with their book. As long as I see that you are still interested, I will try to continue my work and finish it.

The Gustloff-Werke and Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik connection, regarding the Astrawerke receiver, in an abbreviated version:

In 1942, the German armaments industry already had many problems and the transition to a new weapon was a major challenge. One of the main problems in such a case was that it reduced the overall output of weapons. This shortfall in the number of rifles had to be compensated for, which is why a second assembly line was put into operation.
While one assembly line or shift shuts down and stops the assembly of the K98k and switches the machines over to a new weapon, such as the G.41, the second assembly line continues to assemble K98k. In this way, the shortfall should be completely compensated for, or at least reduced. The troops needed every rifle. The first assembly line had shut down, and in December 1942 only 6,411 K98k were accepted by the Waffenamt team 214 in Lübeck. This ended in the "k" block with "duv42" coded receivers. The second assembly line used the following receivers:
"duv41" Berlin-Lübecker Maschinefabrik inhouse receiver
"duv41" Astrawerke receiver
"bcd41" Astrawerke receiver

The same thing was done with Gustloff-Werke, therefore this strange-seeming swap of receivers. This use of different codes was planned and intentional.

A very good example of such a transition can be found in the Volume II book in the first chapter on page 40/41. Be sure to read the text and look at the document, the details are important.

Instead of "Hitler's Garands" there would have been less flattering comments at the time. In February 1943 the Waffenamt communicated very clearly what a disaster the G.41 rifle represented for overall rifle production.

 

[Jdt]

Thank you, you mention some very important things.

This is one of the important topics, and this puzzle can only be solved if you study Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik and Gustloff-Werke intensively. I have been working on this topic since 2016 and often thought that I was very close to finding the answer. I have done serial number studies, which I learned here on the forum from historians like Paul Shomper and many helpful collectors with their data. A major problem is that the records from that time are incomplete and many documents have been destroyed. Thanks to the documents that have been preserved, many answers have been found in the past, but there are still some gaps in our knowledge. By the way, in most cases, the collectors assumptions and serial number studies were extremely close to reality.

I collected and studied the stock completion date codes and in many cases I was able to narrow down the time periods. Basically I used the "Shomper-System" again and that was the only way I was able to find more answers. As with barrel codes, stock completion date codes are often linear and very important. However, this is not always the case due to production interruptions and other reasons and this is important to note.
In 2016, I knew some documents, but often only part of a correspondence and therefore it is difficult or even impossible to draw really reliable conclusions from them. The context is usually hidden and must be found. I am not Raymond Babbitt, so I had to find a way to organize thousands of documents in order to draw important conclusions from them. Again I used the "Shomper-System" and just as I had entered the data from the K98k serial number study into excel spreadsheets, I did the same now with the documents. The documents are sorted by date, the content is noted in brief, as well as the context and historical links. Furthermore, I have almost all documents with the records of the discussion points at the Führer meetings between February 1942 and March 1945, in which the decisions of Adolf Hitler and the armaments minister Albert Speer are recorded. The Reich Ministry for Armaments and Munitions had its own newsletter with important laws and instructions in the armaments industry. The individual magazines from June 1943 to January 1945 are almost complete. I have also sorted these in the same way. I compare these data with each other, therefore I get some new answers.

My work is not better than that of others, I just continue it and refine some things. I am impressed by the "old collectors" and the difficult ways they had to gather information and create all the basic knowledge that we can work with today. I already had the advantage of the internet and I could find information quickly. One of the most important advantages I had was that German is my native language and therefore I can read between the lines in documents. If the "old collectors" had all spoken German and had the documents available that we have today, then they would certainly have solved all the mysteries already. Actually, I have no reason to continue my work, I'm not a collector and I'm only doing it to help Bruce and Mike with their book. As long as I see that you are still interested, I will try to continue my work and finish it.

The Gustloff-Werke and Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik connection, regarding the Astrawerke receiver, in an abbreviated version:

In 1942, the German armaments industry already had many problems and the transition to a new weapon was a major challenge. One of the main problems in such a case was that it reduced the overall output of weapons. This shortfall in the number of rifles had to be compensated for, which is why a second assembly line was put into operation.
While one assembly line or shift shuts down and stops the assembly of the K98k and switches the machines over to a new weapon, such as the G.41, the second assembly line continues to assemble K98k. In this way, the shortfall should be completely compensated for, or at least reduced. The troops needed every rifle. The first assembly line had shut down, and in December 1942 only 6,411 K98k were accepted by the Waffenamt team 214 in Lübeck. This ended in the "k" block with "duv42" coded receivers. The second assembly line used the following receivers:
"duv41" Berlin-Lübecker Maschinefabrik inhouse receiver
"duv41" Astrawerke receiver
"bcd41" Astrawerke receiver

The same thing was done with Gustloff-Werke, therefore this strange-seeming swap of receivers. This use of different codes was planned and intentional.

A very good example of such a transition can be found in the Volume II book in the first chapter on page 40/41. Be sure to read the text and look at the document, the details are important.

Instead of "Hitler's Garands" there would have been less flattering comments at the time. In February 1943 the Waffenamt communicated very clearly what a disaster the G.41 rifle represented for overall rifle production.

Very interesting, there was a DUV 42 e/214 finished rifle at a big gun show in April of last year, I shoulda got the serial number and tryed to get the stock code data for you. Curse being broke at the time because now since I have the DUV 42 e/749 example I'm hoping to grab a all DUV e/214 made example. For whatever reason the majority of DUV rifles I've seen have almost no finish left at all.

 

[Loewe]

Thank you, you mention some very important things.

This is one of the important topics, and this puzzle can only be solved if you study Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik and Gustloff-Werke intensively. I have been working on this topic since 2016 and often thought that I was very close to finding the answer. I have done serial number studies, which I learned here on the forum from historians like Paul Shomper and many helpful collectors with their data. A major problem is that the records from that time are incomplete and many documents have been destroyed. Thanks to the documents that have been preserved, many answers have been found in the past, but there are still some gaps in our knowledge. By the way, in most cases, the collectors assumptions and serial number studies were extremely close to reality.

I collected and studied the stock completion date codes and in many cases I was able to narrow down the time periods. Basically I used the "Shomper-System" again and that was the only way I was able to find more answers. As with barrel codes, stock completion date codes are often linear and very important. However, this is not always the case due to production interruptions and other reasons and this is important to note.
In 2016, I knew some documents, but often only part of a correspondence and therefore it is difficult or even impossible to draw really reliable conclusions from them. The context is usually hidden and must be found. I am not Raymond Babbitt, so I had to find a way to organize thousands of documents in order to draw important conclusions from them. Again I used the "Shomper-System" and just as I had entered the data from the K98k serial number study into excel spreadsheets, I did the same now with the documents. The documents are sorted by date, the content is noted in brief, as well as the context and historical links. Furthermore, I have almost all documents with the records of the discussion points at the Führer meetings between February 1942 and March 1945, in which the decisions of Adolf Hitler and the armaments minister Albert Speer are recorded. The Reich Ministry for Armaments and Munitions had its own newsletter with important laws and instructions in the armaments industry. The individual magazines from June 1943 to January 1945 are almost complete. I have also sorted these in the same way. I compare these data with each other, therefore I get some new answers.

My work is not better than that of others, I just continue it and refine some things. I am impressed by the "old collectors" and the difficult ways they had to gather information and create all the basic knowledge that we can work with today. I already had the advantage of the internet and I could find information quickly. One of the most important advantages I had was that German is my native language and therefore I can read between the lines in documents. If the "old collectors" had all spoken German and had the documents available that we have today, then they would certainly have solved all the mysteries already. Actually, I have no reason to continue my work, I'm not a collector and I'm only doing it to help Bruce and Mike with their book. As long as I see that you are still interested, I will try to continue my work and finish it.

The Gustloff-Werke and Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik connection, regarding the Astrawerke receiver, in an abbreviated version:

In 1942, the German armaments industry already had many problems and the transition to a new weapon was a major challenge. One of the main problems in such a case was that it reduced the overall output of weapons. This shortfall in the number of rifles had to be compensated for, which is why a second assembly line was put into operation.
While one assembly line or shift shuts down and stops the assembly of the K98k and switches the machines over to a new weapon, such as the G.41, the second assembly line continues to assemble K98k. In this way, the shortfall should be completely compensated for, or at least reduced. The troops needed every rifle. The first assembly line had shut down, and in December 1942 only 6,411 K98k were accepted by the Waffenamt team 214 in Lübeck. This ended in the "k" block with "duv42" coded receivers. The second assembly line used the following receivers:
"duv41" Berlin-Lübecker Maschinefabrik inhouse receiver
"duv41" Astrawerke receiver
"bcd41" Astrawerke receiver

The same thing was done with Gustloff-Werke, therefore this strange-seeming swap of receivers. This use of different codes was planned and intentional.

A very good example of such a transition can be found in the Volume II book in the first chapter on page 40/41. Be sure to read the text and look at the document, the details are important.

Instead of "Hitler's Garands" there would have been less flattering comments at the time. In February 1943 the Waffenamt communicated very clearly what a disaster the G.41 rifle represented for overall rifle production.

I must admit you have taken trends research far beyond what I envisioned, I may have preceded you in some areas but you perfected the concept beyond my wildest expectations! The best researchers are here, Ryan, the authors, Eric, the Chris trio-team, and many others but dealing with the comprehensive nature, encompassing so many elements you are showing your superiority.

** I am not in the least jealous either, I may be an a$$ sometimes but my main interest is in seeing research advance and you are the leader in that effort!

 

[mauser99]

In 1942, the German armaments industry already had many problems and the transition to a new weapon was a major challenge. One of the main problems in such a case was that it reduced the overall output of weapons. This shortfall in the number of rifles had to be compensated for, which is why a second assembly line was put into operation.
While one assembly line or shift shuts down and stops the assembly of the K98k and switches the machines over to a new weapon, such as the G.41, the second assembly line continues to assemble K98k. In this way, the shortfall should be completely compensated for, or at least reduced. The troops needed every rifle. The first assembly line had shut down, and in December 1942 only 6,411 K98k were accepted by the Waffenamt team 214 in Lübeck. This ended in the "k" block with "duv42" coded receivers. The second assembly line used the following receivers:
"duv41" Berlin-Lübecker Maschinefabrik inhouse receiver
"duv41" Astrawerke receiver
"bcd41" Astrawerke receiver

Thanks for the note: I think you made a typo here should be duv42 but , I get your point. I personally feel there is no connection between BLM and GW other than the gap filling that happened here and I have seen astrawerke bcd41 receivers used in late MO production rifles I have seen at least one but don't have the data just going off memory. I think the added "actual" code we see in 41 was deemed as not needed by some and dragged on by others IE Mauser Berlin comes to mind..

There may be duv42 assembled k98's with astrawerke made receivers but, cant recall seeing one or have forgot as this seems to be happening more and more..lol

Hats off ! to the researchers and others who contribute and have made this place the think tank it is and was. P.S. always has amazed me with his knowledge and skills for saving data and remembering things,,

I have a late run duv42 with bcd41 rec. I will post at some point as I never posted it here.. Sorry for the early morning ramblings but the new dog has me up early these days..lol

 

[Jdt]

Thanks for the note: I think you made a typo here should be duv42 but , I get your point. I personally feel there is no connection between BLM and GW other than the gap filling that happened here and I have seen astrawerke bcd41 receivers used in late MO production rifles I have seen at least one but don't have the data just going off memory. I think the added "actual" code we see in 41 was deemed as not needed by some and dragged on by others IE Mauser Berlin comes to mind..

There may be duv42 assembled k98's with astrawerke made receivers but, cant recall seeing one or have forgot as this seems to be happening more and more..lol

Hats off ! to the researchers and others who contribute and have made this place the think tank it is and was. P.S. always has amazed me with his knowledge and skills for saving data and remembering things,,

I have a late run duv42 with bcd41 rec. I will post at some point as I never posted it here.. Sorry for the early morning ramblings but the new dog has me up early these days..lol

Please do a pic thread for it asap! Would love to see it!

 

[heavy_mech]

...but I'm not sure about the a E/26 on the band spring. You can look at it from different angles, could it also be a E/18?

I also thought it was an e/18 which would be correct but didn't see an r as I would expect. You looking at it 'in hand' would be more correct. I did like the already rough machine finish on that Carl Ulrich bolt shroud. Neat example.

 

[Hambone]

bcd 41 R Block (All Matching)

bcd 41/duv 42 R Block (All Matching) New to my collection! Fresh from the woodworks With blued/stained cupped buttplate Bore perfect Everything is 214 (Besides magazine spring is 280) belive this rifle has never seen any action Regards

www.k98kforum.com

BCD 41. All matching Value. might sale.

How's it going guys. Want to see what you all might value my K98 BCD 41 at. It's all matching numbers an was a bring back. I do not have the bring back paperwork but the gentleman that brought it back wrote his rank name an date on the stock. From that I was able to look up the info on him an...

www.k98kforum.com

 

[Jdt]

bcd 41 R Block (All Matching)

bcd 41/duv 42 R Block (All Matching) New to my collection! Fresh from the woodworks With blued/stained cupped buttplate Bore perfect Everything is 214 (Besides magazine spring is 280) belive this rifle has never seen any action Regards

www.k98kforum.com

BCD 41. All matching Value. might sale.

How's it going guys. Want to see what you all might value my K98 BCD 41 at. It's all matching numbers an was a bring back. I do not have the bring back paperwork but the gentleman that brought it back wrote his rank name an date on the stock. From that I was able to look up the info on him an...

www.k98kforum.com

Both of those rifles are absolutely awesome for sure. The first one being condition but the second one condition and story! I hope you still have that second example. Gonna watch that veteran interview while the laundry is going today before work!

 

[Stephan98k]

Thanks for the note: I think you made a typo here should be duv42 but , I get your point. I personally feel there is no connection between BLM and GW other than the gap filling that happened here and I have seen astrawerke bcd41 receivers used in late MO production rifles I have seen at least one but don't have the data just going off memory. I think the added "actual" code we see in 41 was deemed as not needed by some and dragged on by others IE Mauser Berlin comes to mind..

There may be duv42 assembled k98's with astrawerke made receivers but, cant recall seeing one or have forgot as this seems to be happening more and more..lol

Hats off ! to the researchers and others who contribute and have made this place the think tank it is and was. P.S. always has amazed me with his knowledge and skills for saving data and remembering things,,

I have a late run duv42 with bcd41 rec. I will post at some point as I never posted it here.. Sorry for the early morning ramblings but the new dog has me up early these days..lol

You are very welcome and don't be sorry, I still remember these moments when our little one was still a puppy.

It is very good that you paid attention and mistakes happen very easily, but this time it is not a typo.

Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik 1942
Standard assembly line used in-house receivers in 1942, these are coded "duv42" and are "NL" up to the "k" block.

Second assembly line used the following receivers in 1942:
"duv41" Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik in-house receiver - start "o" block up to mid "o" block
"duv41" Astrawerke receiver - mid "o" block up to mid "p" block
"bcd41" Astrawerke receiver - the rest "p" block and "r" block

"Hats off ! to the researchers and others who contribute and have made this place the think tank it is and was. P.S. always has amazed me with his knowledge and skills for saving data and remembering things,"

I like this sentence, thank you.

@Loewe
I didn't notice anything negative, it's your honest and direct manner that I really appreciate. Herzlichen Dank für alles Paul.

 

[Stephan98k]

I have a late run duv42 with bcd41 rec. I will post at some point as I never posted it here..

I forgot this part yesterday and of course I would like to see this K98k.

1942 Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik production with a "bcd41" receiver, so it's a "p" or "r" block. If you have a stock completion date code, that would be a great help.