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Did supressed MP44/StG-44 see any use during WW2?

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Zielfernrohr

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I found this photo of an alleged silencer for the MP44/StG-44 and I was wondering if anyone has seen any pictures of a Sturlgewehr with a silencer?
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I know the germans had subsonic rounds called «Nahpatrone» at least for 7,92x57mm and 9x19mm but never seen a 7,92x33 version

I would think a silencer on a MP44 with a ZG-1229 would be good to minimalize muzzle flash at night
 
Zielfernrohr said:
I found this photo of an alleged silencer for the MP44/StG-44 and I was wondering if anyone has seen any pictures of a Sturlgewehr with a silencer?
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I know the germans had subsonic rounds called «Nahpatrone» at least for 7,92x57mm and 9x19mm but never seen a 7,92x33 version

I would think a silencer on a MP44 with a ZG-1229 would be good to minimalize muzzle flash at night
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if you look at the photo & description in post #8 in the thread below, I think your example is a L25 K98k suppressor. the reference does say it can fit some others weps.

www.k98kforum.com

K98 supressor?

Hello guys, I have a question. I saw this piece and I never saw one before. Should be a supressor for the K98 but I can not find a lot info about K98 supressors on the internet. Does anyone here know what type it is? If its original or repro and what its worth?
www.k98kforum.com www.k98kforum.com
 
Thank you for the info Muncher 1953 and the photo roos1984! The short sound supressor obviously fit the MP44 so in theory it could have been used on a MP44, is it an original or a reproduction?
It makes sence that a shorter sound supressor would make for sense on a less powerfull cartridge as the 7,92x33mm round and it’s different from the german MP40 sound supressor and this would not fit a MP40(
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Does anyone know about any experimental 7,92x33mm Nah patronen/subsonic rounds from WW2?
 
Roos - beautiful! Absolutely beautiful.

Like Zielfernohr asked, were subsonic rounds available in 7.92 x 33 mm Kurz and were they color coded to indicate their subsonic nature? The BraMit and its copies relied on subsonic ammunition to work. Standard high velocity ammunition would blow out the baffles quickly.
 
Zielfernrohr said:
I just found this thread, looks like there actualiy was made 7,92x33MM rounds, not sure if it’s WW2 made though since it’s not the normal green color

Scroll down to number 54

forum.cartridgecollectors.org

9 mm Para for muffler [silencer] (NOT FOR SALE)-X hst Germa

John, Here jou see a picture of the 7,92x33 X round. 451kr.
forum.cartridgecollectors.org forum.cartridgecollectors.org
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I’ve not see this discussed before nor even heard of the x marked kurz rounds. Wonderful info. Thanks for posting this.
 
Zielfernrohr said:
Thank you for the info Muncher 1953 and the photo roos1984! The short sound supressor obviously fit the MP44 so in theory it could have been used on a MP44, is it an original or a reproduction?
It makes sence that a shorter sound supressor would make for sense on a less powerfull cartridge as the 7,92x33mm round and it’s different from the german MP40 sound supressor and this would not fit a MP40(
)
Does anyone know about any experimental 7,92x33mm Nah patronen/subsonic rounds from WW2?
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I got this silencer from a collector in France, he had an original Silencer one and had several reproduced in the original size. This silencer was specially developed for the MP44 and does not fit a K98 or G43.
 
roos1984 said:
I got this silencer from a collector in France, he had an original Silencer one and had several reproduced in the original size. This silencer was specially developed for the MP44 and does not fit a K98 or G43.
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That is awesome! Do you know if he has more of these silencers for sale?
Is the MP44 silencer made like the MP40 silencer with a rubber baffle in the front?
I would love to see videoes of testing the different variations of german silencers for the Kar98K, MP40 and MP44 with newly loaded sub sonic rounds and normal super sonic rounds where it was possible to use too
If exact reproductions are made it could be done without destroying original ones, maybe just use reproduction rubber baffles and original silencer housings

I imagine a setup with a MP44 with a silencer and sub sonic rounds and a ZG 1229 at night, even if it was never fielded maybe it was experimented with it’s a pretty ahead of it’s time package!
 
FWIIW I have seen the K98K cup grenade launcher, which looks to have a very similar attachment method to the MP44 silencer in the above post, installed on a standard MP44.
 
Funny to see the old suppressors and mounting systems compared to today’s technology.

Today its precision mounting systems that lock down with an only a few thousands for error vs back them just set screw it to the barrel and go.
 
WAZUP13579 said:
Funny to see the old suppressors and mounting systems compared to today’s technology.

Today its precision mounting systems that lock down with an only a few thousands for error vs back them just set screw it to the barrel and go.
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It looks like the German WW2 silencers have a much bigger hole than the actual caliber in the front, probably to compensate for not som presice alingnement
 
The Silencer shown in #1 is a L26 ARADO Type.

It is a silencer that uses rubber discs and has to use the "Nahpatrone" in 8x33.
For correct use. you should replace the "Gasschraube" with a device that shuts the gasport to prevent the action from cycling.
Like as @Blackpowderresearcher wrote, the use of "normal" ammunition will ruin the baffles and most likely the supressor...
 
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