ar44 bolt mm. History? Possible value?
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Mauserguy85
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Need a lot more pics. Looks like a Mauser Bosigwalde receiver finished by Mauser Oberndorf. Obvious due to the E/135 final acceptance proof on the top of the receiver. Cool variation. Value will depend on a ton of issues….
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I’m new to the forum and I am still working on posting more pics. I have had this rifle for around 20+ years. I would like to learn all I can about it and possibly establish an approximate value for it. Another member of the forum is interested in purchasing it and neither of us are experts.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The rifle is all matching ( as far as I can tell ) except for the bolt. None of the bolt parts are matching either. There is no cleaning rod or sight hood and its also missing one of the capture screws on the trigger guard. The bore is somewhat frosty as well. There are also import stamps from CAI on the barrel.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The rifle is all matching ( as far as I can tell ) except for the bolt. None of the bolt parts are matching either. There is no cleaning rod or sight hood and its also missing one of the capture screws on the trigger guard. The bore is somewhat frosty as well. There are also import stamps from CAI on the barrel.
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Just do your best to get the pics up. Basically pics of any serial numbers and markings you see. Ideally the inside of the stock channel, left and right side of buttstock, inside of handguard, etc. Realistic value is all dependent on seeing the rifle in detail. Import marking hit the value as well.
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Is the bolt matching to itself or all mixed up? Pics of that?
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Also with bolt mismatches… usually it interests more of the shooter/collector VS the more purist collector. Having said that, you say the bore is frosty? Does it swallow a 8mm round at the muzzle? Bore condition obviously affects a bolt mismatch IMO.
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Bolt is mixed parts. I will post pics the bolt too
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Yes. It does swallow a 8mm round at the muzzle
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I can really only speak for myself. Bore condition is very important to me when considering a purchase.
I had a 1941 byf Portuguese contract CAI import, all matching. The bore was fair. The finish was like your example. Stock and cartouches were unsanded but well worn with handing and poor storage. I just couldn’t appreciate the condition so I sold it years later.
I also still have a AR43 code finished by JP Sauer that’s is also CAI import. Bolt is matching to itself but 1 number off. Pitting below wood line and bore is gone. Swallows a bullet. It’s the only k98k in my collection of maybe 40 examples that has a bore in that condition. Everything else I own is very good+ to excellent.
The reason I’m mentioning it is simply because bore condition is very important to many collectors and of course shooters.
Having said all that, your example is a interesting a harder to find variation of a Mauser Oberndorf. It’s import marked. The condition is fair+ with a poor bore. It’s essentially a bolt mismatch but the bolt itself is a mixmaster so that hurts the value a little as well. A mixed up bolt is probably worth half of one all matching to itself.
All in all, if I needed a wall hanger or place holder example for let’s say as a discussion piece, I would personally value it in the $800-$1000 range. The bore is what kills the value for me. If the bore was excellent or very good, $1200-$1400 easy. Someone would just slap in a all matching to itself bolt and you have a discreet import marked bolt mismatch.
I had a 1941 byf Portuguese contract CAI import, all matching. The bore was fair. The finish was like your example. Stock and cartouches were unsanded but well worn with handing and poor storage. I just couldn’t appreciate the condition so I sold it years later.
I also still have a AR43 code finished by JP Sauer that’s is also CAI import. Bolt is matching to itself but 1 number off. Pitting below wood line and bore is gone. Swallows a bullet. It’s the only k98k in my collection of maybe 40 examples that has a bore in that condition. Everything else I own is very good+ to excellent.
The reason I’m mentioning it is simply because bore condition is very important to many collectors and of course shooters.
Having said all that, your example is a interesting a harder to find variation of a Mauser Oberndorf. It’s import marked. The condition is fair+ with a poor bore. It’s essentially a bolt mismatch but the bolt itself is a mixmaster so that hurts the value a little as well. A mixed up bolt is probably worth half of one all matching to itself.
All in all, if I needed a wall hanger or place holder example for let’s say as a discussion piece, I would personally value it in the $800-$1000 range. The bore is what kills the value for me. If the bore was excellent or very good, $1200-$1400 easy. Someone would just slap in a all matching to itself bolt and you have a discreet import marked bolt mismatch.
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Thank you sir. And I’m grateful to anyone else who left comments. I think that is a very fair assessment.
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I'm going to add that bore condition isn't that universally important. If someone is a collector more than a shooter, or isn't buying the gun to be a shooter, then bore condition can take a very, very back seat to other considerations. I've got a couple of guns with pretty dire bores that I have specifically because they fill a hard to find niche in my collection, and the bore situation wasn't really a consideration when I was getting them.
On the other hand, my shooters? Especially my modern shooters? Bore condition is more important than just about anything else, up to and including things like finish condition and originality of parts.
That said, a bolt m/m is more likely to be valued as a shooter than a collector's piece. THAT said, it also depends on the collector. The crowd around here tends to have much higher expectations and generally be fairly advanced in their collecting.
From where I sit $800 is very low. That's RC territory these days, and this gun is a damned sight nicer than an RC. I'd personally price it closer to $1200.
edit: I think people here, who tend to have multiple all-matching rifles that they bought for sub-$1000 decades ago, often times loose sight now how many beginning collectors there are out there and what prices have done in the last 20 years. There are a lot of people out there who would be happy for worn, honest, bolt m/m at $1000-1200, doubly so one with an uncommon code that is harder to get.
On the other hand, my shooters? Especially my modern shooters? Bore condition is more important than just about anything else, up to and including things like finish condition and originality of parts.
That said, a bolt m/m is more likely to be valued as a shooter than a collector's piece. THAT said, it also depends on the collector. The crowd around here tends to have much higher expectations and generally be fairly advanced in their collecting.
From where I sit $800 is very low. That's RC territory these days, and this gun is a damned sight nicer than an RC. I'd personally price it closer to $1200.
edit: I think people here, who tend to have multiple all-matching rifles that they bought for sub-$1000 decades ago, often times loose sight now how many beginning collectors there are out there and what prices have done in the last 20 years. There are a lot of people out there who would be happy for worn, honest, bolt m/m at $1000-1200, doubly so one with an uncommon code that is harder to get.
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Could you post a picture of the muzzle with a bullet sitting in it(muzzle test).
The others have sumed everything up better than I could. Only other thing to consider is definitely location if your trying to sell locally. Just my 2¢.
The others have sumed everything up better than I could. Only other thing to consider is definitely location if your trying to sell locally. Just my 2¢.