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Another late Sauer commercial

mrfarb

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I swore I posted this before, but I just can't find it. Wanted to add it to the sticky with the other 2 that have been shown here. Mine has some milling errors on various parts, rejects, plus a reused component. The "X" on the barrels indicates parts that failed waffenamt inspection, the X is right in the area the Waffenamt goes. This one has the commercial "Diamond U" below the woodline.
 

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Question on the end user of these commercial guns...

I know the "no one could own guns" nonsense is just that, there was plenty of private gun ownership in Germany (otherwise why would captured towns ordered to disarm by the allies have pics of large civilian turn in piles)…

But could Hans just walk down to his local gun shop and buy a commercial 98k off the shelf? Special order? Anyone know how these guns were distributed?

Sweet gun Mike!
 
I’m going to throw a guess out there and say “only authorized citizens could buy a commercial rifle or pistol.”. Probably government officials, etc. Finally, whole towns were militarized due to the push of Allied forces and that was the reason for whole towns to be disarmed.

Am I even close? Those were my best guesses anyway.
 
..commercial "Diamond U" below the woodline.

Is that the significance of the "U" underside of bolt flat next to the Astra code? The 2017 post has some interesting theories on the 'who' and 'why' IMO. Great rifle too! :thumbsup:
 
U (German word which I don’t recall at the moment) is basically the acceptable usage of a previously rejected part so far as I understand, please correct me if I’m wrong. In this case acceptable for commercial usage whereas it previously failed military inspection standards.
 
Any thoughts on the diamond? Did the application indicate previous unused parts being accepted for these commercial builds?
But then, not all these rifles wear it...
 
I believe the connotation is similar but I’m not positive of it’s exact meaning. I’ll snap some pictures of other diamond parts tonight.
 
I believe private ownership of firearms was common in WWII Germany. I know of two local veteran's who brought home Drillings (Rifle/Shotgun combinations) from Germany. Also my Dad spoke of the guns, civilian and military which they destroyed after occupying a town. All weapons including swords, lances what ever had to be turned in. They piled them up. Dumped gas on them and set the pile on fire. Also drove over them with a tracked vehicle. Dad commented "some of them were really old fancy ones".
 
I’m going to throw a guess out there and say “only authorized citizens could buy a commercial rifle or pistol.”. Probably government officials, etc. Finally, whole towns were militarized due to the push of Allied forces and that was the reason for whole towns to be disarmed.

Am I even close? Those were my best guesses anyway.

Not really, again, there is a myth that Germany had draconian gun control, and people weren't allowed to have guns, which is just fallacy, in fact the German Weapons Act of 1938 actually loosened controls imposed during the Weimar era...

"The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:

Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, and the possession of ammunition.[8]

The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[9][10]

Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[9]

Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[8]

Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the proviso that such permits would no longer be issued to any company even partly owned by Jews; Jews could not manufacture or deal in firearms or ammunition.[8]

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records about purchasers of guns, with serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[11][12] effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich within the occupied Sudetenland and Austria of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act. [13][14] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]

Gun laws in Nazi Germany have been the subject of debate in the United States over gun regulations, with various opponents of gun regulation arguing that gun regulations in Nazi Germany helped the Nazis to cement power or to implement the Holocaust. Fact-checkers have described these claims or theories as "false" or "debunked".[15][16][17][10] While Jews were subject to having their guns seized, the gun registry was so incomplete that many Jews retained their guns.[16] On the whole, gun laws were actually made less stringent for German citizens who were loyal to Nazi rule.[10][15] PolitiFact also writes, "a lack of guns was not the issue" in the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust.[15]
Current laws[edit]"

So, it seems it would be pretty easy for most Germans to buy rifles...thus the curiousity about how and where these commercials were sold....

Actually, read through that, and its somewhat similar to what we have in place now...
 

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