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1925 Simson & Co Suhl Kar98b 9625

chrisftk

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Hi guys,

I photo'ed this one while I had my set-up still out.

I'm a bit shocked this one generated little activity on Broker. It ended up hammering low when I bought. My guess is that the depot bolt and repaired wrist crack may have scared folks. The auction photos also made it appear worse that it looks in person. Once it arrived, it really ended up being much nicer in hand.

I've been lucky with undated Simson 98b, but this is my first dated one. As most may know, Simson was the "authorized" producer of rifles for the German military in the aftermath of WW1-- as a result, there was no subterfuge undertaken and the maker's markings and date were openly stamped on the receiver from 1924-1926 (vs. the clandestine markings on Zeithan and S28 assemblies). 1925s are the most common of 1924-26, but still a fairly rare gun in original condition. These generally saw a lot of depot work during their service life, which makes the one Jory got earlier this year pretty interesting. This example has a number of replaced parts, but all have been force matched via scrubbing or overstamping. The metal has that nice rust blue you see on a lot of Republican era rifles.

The stock is unsanded, but there is a repaired wrist crack (not very visible) and a dufflecut between the front and rear band. There are no depot stamps on the wood that I can see, though there is a neat repair you can see on the left side of the buttstock. Additionally, there is a large 32 on the buttplate. I am assuming this is some sort of rework indicator, but it's not ringing a bell at the moment.

The bolt body was scrubbed and restamped, but is an e/6 Simson bolt. The striker assembly was not force-matched in a holdover from the old imperial convention, but the parts are all Simson 98b.

The rod is m/m but a correct one and the rifle came with a correct 1930s sling and a stamped k98k muzzle cover.


Here are the photos:
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Awesome rifle Chris! I really like it a lot. That bolt is badass and one of my favorite features of this rifle. I just really like all the 98b’s. A dated one is definitely on my radar and I am glad this one flew under the radar and you end up scoring it for such a reasonable price for a Simson. Makes me wonder if you used one of your others in the robbery………
 
I also like the complex butt repair. It’s the first I’ve seen using dowels like that, on top of the additional toe repair. Many nice features and original finish on this example. Any ideas about the “D” on the pistol grip?
 
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Very nice well traveled example. Love the 98b’s, and you did very well on this one.

I’ll always say this, I think 98b’s are the most aesthetically pleasing of all the German 98’s we discuss on this forum.
 
Awesome rifle Chris! I really like it a lot. That bolt is badass and one of my favorite features of this rifle. I just really like all the 98b’s. A dated one is definitely on my radar and I am glad this one flew under the radar and you end up scoring it for such a reasonable price for a Simson. Makes me wonder if you used one of your others in the robbery………
Thanks Jory! I'm not sure why it didn't get the attention it should, but I am not complaining! Haha.

I also like the complex butt repair. It’s the first I’ve seen using dowels like that, on top of the additional toe repair. Many nice features and original finish on this example. Any ideas about the “D” on the pistol grip?
Thanks Rick-- I'm very pleased with how matching it is. I've seen it on a handful of rifles, all interwar. They really wasted nothing in this period. As far as the "D" goes, I'm wondering the same thing. My gut instinct would be that maybe it was some sort of a rework mark. But it's so hard to say with this period of time.


Very nice well traveled example. Love the 98b’s, and you did very well on this one.

I’ll always say this, I think 98b’s are the most aesthetically pleasing of all the German 98’s we discuss on this forum.
Thanks Hale! I'm a big fan too. They are so similar to radfahrer Gew98s that they really have always captivated me. I've got several now, each with its own charms..The dated receiver is really my favorite aspect of this one. I think they are one of those things that most of the rank and file collectors arent well versed on.
 
Nice grab Chris, I was watching this one and surprised it landed where it did, receiver marked Simson's are not easy to come by. Your pictures give it a much better presentation, it looked pretty salty and rough in the auction pics, looks much better here, congrats!

Nick
 
nice.. figured this had to be the same one Larry was selling. Cleaned up very nicely ! Auctions can be odd things just like collectors. Some folks wont settle and some will..
For uber rare items like this finding one near perfect condition may never happen.. To own one sometimes you have to settle..

Chris , just be thankful ole Geesehunter didnt latch on to this item....LOL He would have bid it up 3x that price.. inside joke to those who track.
 
Nice grab Chris, I was watching this one and surprised it landed where it did, receiver marked Simson's are not easy to come by. Your pictures give it a much better presentation, it looked pretty salty and rough in the auction pics, looks much better here, congrats!

Nick
Thanks Nick, the lighting or camera Eisel uses doesn't produce the most flattering results. I've generally always been pleasantly surprised on purchases from him. I think it's a good illustration of how important light is to quality photos!

Wicked rifle Chris. Just have to track down a Simpson muzzle cover now. Those are probably hens teeth.
Yeah, for sure. Ive got a proper 98b cover on another of mine, but I don't expect to find another any time soon. The k98k one will do until then. Haha.

nice.. figured this had to be the same one Larry was selling. Cleaned up very nicely ! Auctions can be odd things just like collectors. Some folks wont settle and some will..
For uber rare items like this finding one near perfect condition may never happen.. To own one sometimes you have to settle..

Chris , just be thankful ole Geesehunter didnt latch on to this item....LOL He would have bid it up 3x that price.. inside joke to those who track.
Thanks! I've always personally thought beggars can't be choosers on 98b, especially on ones with matching bolts. So many factors in auctions too. I knew a few friends held back because they knew I was bidding (always appreciated) and sometimes these end at awkward times so that can help- other times you just get lucky. I practically stole a rare imperial rifle a few years ago because Broker crashed in the last 2 hours before the end of the auction. My low bid ended up standing.

Ohhhh yes..the geesehunter ran me up on an item not too long ago. I'm aware of his antics. 😡
 
Thanks Nick, the lighting or camera Eisel uses doesn't produce the most flattering results. I've generally always been pleasantly surprised on purchases from him. I think it's a good illustration of how important light is to quality photos!


Yeah, for sure. Ive got a proper 98b cover on another of mine, but I don't expect to find another any time soon. The k98k one will do until then. Haha.


Thanks! I've always personally thought beggars can't be choosers on 98b, especially on ones with matching bolts. So many factors in auctions too. I knew a few friends held back because they knew I was bidding (always appreciated) and sometimes these end at awkward times so that can help- other times you just get lucky. I practically stole a rare imperial rifle a few years ago because Broker crashed in the last 2 hours before the end of the auction. My low bid ended up standing.

Ohhhh yes..the geesehunter ran me up on an item not too long ago. I'm aware of his antics. 😡
His antics are when he wants something he's getting it at all costs.. He's bid on a few things ive wanted and he''s paid......lol
Always nice to see fair play with forum members there are certain folks I hold to a higher level and if I see them bidding I stay away... RESPECT is earned...
 
Always nice to see fair play with forum members there are certain folks I hold to a higher level and if I see them bidding I stay away... RESPECT is earned...
I totally agree. There are certain members here on this forum that I am not going to bid against. I will admit that I don’t know everybody’s Gunbroker handle, but I do know quite a few….
 
I chased this one at the end, then figured out who I was bidding against. I knew it was going to a good home and saw no need to make it expensive for either of us. Glad you got it, now if it had been a Standard Modell……….
 
I chased this one at the end, then figured out who I was bidding against. I knew it was going to a good home and saw no need to make it expensive for either of us. Glad you got it, now if it had been a Standard Modell……….
Thanks Frank, I was wondering who it was. I appreciate you being a gentleman about it though. Still got a pretty solid deal. Now I know your handle too. You don't have to worry about me on standard models, I'm set there!

I totally agree. There are certain members here on this forum that I am not going to bid against.
Always nice to see fair play with forum members there are certain folks I hold to a higher level and if I see them bidding I stay away... RESPECT is earned...
I agree about respect being earned.
It certainly pays to play nice in the sandbox. If I like you and know your handle, I'll back down or reach out and see if you are serious about wanting it. Lots of stuff to go around and I buy a lot as it is. Part of why it's nice to have this community.

Then there's always the fact that i'll know where the item is even if I back down and that person can be arm-twisted later to sell or trade🤣
 

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