Anyone else experiencing this?

For some reason in the off topic section, the 1st and 2nd amendment defense doesn’t show up for me. I can go through my reaction history and search history and find it, but it is not something that I can click on and view new posts.

Same here.

Yeah not showing up for me for a while nwo

CRH113 said:

For some reason in the off topic section, the 1st and 2nd amendment defense doesn’t show up for me. I can go through my reaction history and search history and find it, but it is not something that I can click on and view new posts.

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Same here. I accessed it the same way you did.

Same here.

Are they getting rid of it?

I don’t believe so, think it’s just a website glitch

Not showing for me either

Just an FYI straight from Ham in the Ukraine war thread...

"A heads up to all: this forum is “on ice” per mod / admin consensus. You can still see it if you have a link. If you log on generally the forum will not appear on the menu.

Nothing here causes me butthurt, not even the Canadians I’m in a business where arguments and opposition However, there’s a reason that politics and religion aren’t topics of family gatherings or polite company."

Don't know if its permanent or not...to be honest I rarely venture in there, and certainly not in that quagmire of a thread...lol...

I removed the link from the main forum.

It used to be the politics section, but it got so toxic it was revamped to try to get people to focus.

But people seem to love hitting each other. It’s causing major issues with moderators leaving and membership suffering. It’s ridiculous and hateful so I removed the link from the main forum to alleviate sane people from having to endure it.

Yall have the link, punch away and be miserable. If it continues to degrade our forum I will have to go further.

It still is the political forum but becauce of some users you don't like we all have to put up with a link? What link? You say that you are losing members. Nobody makes anyone go one that sight. What's next? I for one liked coming to this sight for info on K98's and the 2nd forum but there are other forums out there.

Unfortunate. (But understandable.)

I am fairly new here. I came to research/learn about a Gew98 SG42. I enjoyed the civility and the international disparate views presented in the 1st & 2nd Def forum and decided to hang around and continue reading/learning/discussing.

Too bad people can not seem to treat each other with Respect and control their Elementary Schoolyard attitudes.

Detroit-123 said:

It still is the political forum but becauce of some users you don't like we all have to put up with a link? What link? You say that you are losing members. Nobody makes anyone go one that sight. What's next? I for one liked coming to this sight for info on K98's and the 2nd forum but there are other forums out there.

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This is a forum about 98k’s. Get your political fix elsewhere - if you plan on leaving because I’ve removed it from our main list, sorry to hear that.

mrfarb said:

This is a forum about 98k’s. Get your political fix elsewhere - if you plan on leaving because I’ve removed it from our main list, sorry to hear that.

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Well said

FWIW the 2nd amendment sub forum has a lot to contribute to the hobby and to the forum community in my opinion, ad hominem attacks are where the discipline should be applied. Attacking someone personally has never been cool. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

I enjoy the memes thread and other aspects. The war thread has some pretty compassionate arguments on both sides ( I don’t care enough to post on that thread regardless). Seems a shame that censorship is the only idea that comes to mind for the entire remainder of that forum.
Is the moderator you are referring to the same one who was calling the Late Mr. Davis’s uniforms fakes?

biggymu said:

FWIW the 2nd amendment sub forum has a lot to contribute to the hobby and to the forum community in my opinion, ad hominem attacks are where the discipline should be applied. Attacking someone personally has never been cool. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

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Respectfully disagree. That section of the site is full of politically charged rhetoric that has nothing to do with the furtherance of K98k collecting. As Mike said, it's just creating problems. Even the moderators are at each other, which is totally unproductive for this site and for the hobby writ large.

The old political section of the site became a flaming dumpster fire and now the 1st and 2nd Amendment section has devolved into what was already deleted. At the end of the day, there are far too many comments regarding Soros, the Deep State, the Xidenpuppet Regime, the lame stream media, lots of homophobic stuff and even the insinuation that some politicians should be killed. None of that has anything to do with the hobby. It just makes this entire forum look like a circus. It also has the potential to bring a lot of heat down on the entire community, and for what? As Mike said, if folks want to discuss the above noted topics, they need not do it here. We need to get back to the basics, which is and always has been an appreciation of history, that's what unites us. The political stuff just creates problems.

SoH,
I generally enjoy your posts and often find common ground with your views, but I have to disagree with you on this. Gun people, collectors etc are people period that often have other things they are passionate about. Politics and shitposting on politics IMO frequently goes hand in hand with gun related topics. This is evident by the number of posts there compared to the other sub forums. I have been in a lull collecting wise but still like to see what others are getting. There are times where very little is posted in the WW II k98 section, sometimes for days, so I frequent the off topic section almost daily and enjoy posting memes there.

I feel the solution is to leave this section alone, unmoderated and let people who choose to be there go at it. No one is making anyone visit that sub forum or requiring them to post in it. If you get offended, insulted or annoyed there, just don’t go there. It like going to a BBQ restaurant and getting upset that they serve meat and don’t offer vegan options.

Your right this is a forum for K98's but it was also a forum that people who could get the latest news on the political front that could have a affect on your being able to own a K98. To give in to a few trolls is the wrong way to stop it. Ban them. So I guess this is my good bye to this forum.

At least I know what happened. I was afraid I did something wrong to lose access.

mauser202 said:

SoH,
I generally enjoy your posts and often find common ground with your views, but I have to disagree with you on this. Gun people, collectors etc are people period that often have other things they are passionate about. Politics and shitposting on politics IMO frequently goes hand in hand with gun related topics. This is evident by the number of posts there compared to the other sub forums. I have been in a lull collecting wise but still like to see what others are getting. There are times where very little is posted in the WW II k98 section, sometimes for days, so I frequent the off topic section almost daily and enjoy posting memes there.

I feel the solution is to leave this section alone, unmoderated and let people who choose to be there go at it. No one is making anyone visit that sub forum or requiring them to post in it. If you get offended, insulted or annoyed there, just don’t go there. It like going to a BBQ restaurant and getting upset that they serve meat and don’t offer vegan options.

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The feeling is mutual. I've also really enjoyed reading your posts and threads across multiple forums over the years. That said, it's okay to disagree once in a while. I hear what you're saying, and could possibly be swayed to think along those lines if perhaps the section we're talking about was geared solely towards discussing the preservation of 2nd Amendment rights, which do have an impact on Americans' capacity to collect certain firearms, but the political stuff (more broadly speaking) is just too slippery a slope. As I mentioned in my previous post, some of the stuff posted over the years has been pretty ugly, and it has the capacity to bring a lot of heat down on the forum. Certain folks have made posts suggesting that people like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi should be killed. That's not cool, and frankly it does create a scenario where law enforcement agencies might start looking into this forum, which just creates problems for the forum's ownership team (and for the entire community). The forum ownership has tried to melt and re-pour the section to avoid being accused of censorship or infringing upon people's ability to exercise 1st Amendment rights but folks just keep posting inappropriate stuff. A lot of people seem to get hung-up on if they can say something, but don't seem to give much thought towards if they SHOULD say something.

The other thing to keep in mind is that this entire forum is actually a privilege, not a right. We are privileged to be able to access it, and are even more privileged that so much fantastic information is available to us for free, but that doesn't mean that we have the right to post whatever we want, whenever we want.

Again, I know that many will disagree with me, and that's okay. I'm merely sharing my thoughts in hopes that some folks will read this and become a little more introspective when it comes to considering the types of things they've posted over the years. I just don't want needless issues to arise that may jeopardize all the positive content that is freely shared on this forum.