Helping a friend with a BYF 43

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Mr.Spradlin

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I have a fellow Shriner who has this BYF 43 he may want to sell and is trying to get information and maybe some kind of value.
All the numbers match (14225 or 4225) except the barrel which is 43D178

I have zero knowledge on these rifles and any help is greatly appreciated.
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Looks like a nice example in good condition. Matching numbers, unsanded stock and condition are a must to get the true value of price. I would put a value between 2300 and 2500. I could be wrong, lets see what other collectors say.
 
Jhr98k said:
Looks like a nice example in good condition. Matching numbers, unsanded stock and condition are a must to get the true value of price. I would put a value between 2300 and 2500. I could be wrong, lets see what other collectors say.
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Thank you very much.
 
Jhr98k said:
Looks like a nice example in good condition. Matching numbers, unsanded stock and condition are a must to get the true value of price. I would put a value between 2300 and 2500. I could be wrong, lets see what other collectors say.
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I disagree with your valuation. Byf43s are often for sale and often in higher condition than this.

Just look at the other byf43 posted recently as an SOS pick up, much higher condition. I don’t know the sale price, but that to me is a $2500 rifle.

The market for K98s seems slightly depressed right now, as evidenced by lots of nice K98s sitting on the trader for extended periods of time.

I think constantly giving this upper end valuation artificially inflates the market and now everyone thinks that their common code K98 should be worth $2500 or more.

So, I would put this rifle at $1800-$2100.
 
I think it would be a $2000 rifle but would need to see the barrel channel, handguard, firing pin numbers first.
 
NathanLM said:
I disagree with your valuation. Byf43s are often for sale and often in higher condition than this.

Just look at the other byf43 posted recently as an SOS pick up, much higher condition. I don’t know the sale price, but that to me is a $2500 rifle.

The market for K98s seems slightly depressed right now, as evidenced by lots of nice K98s sitting on the trader for extended periods of time.

I think constantly giving this upper end valuation artificially inflates the market and now everyone thinks that their common code K98 should be worth $2500 or more.

So, I would put this rifle at $1800-$2100.
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There's definitely been some stagflation or just out right drop in sale prices for more common code K98K's. The high end collector grade stuff does usually sell high but after sitting for months.
 
I really like that front band. I also agree about the general softness in the market over the last 6 months-year. $1600 would be a really good deal and probably sell very quickly. 1800-2k would be about right at the moment, but might sit for a bit. Don't know if I'm correct on prices but have definitely noticed the pullback.
 
Yeah, I think there's a big difference between the prices you see between collectors and what you see on the open market - e.g. shows, gunbroker, the big consignment websites like Simpson, etc That said, a lot of those are basically fishing expeditions with guns that don't move all that quickly.

THAT said, if you look at the actual completed auctions on GB you still see some pretty inflated numbers.

It's also important to keep in mind that collector to collector sales don't include things like a percentage for auction houses or consignment fees, so the difference between a $2000 rifle and a $2500 rifle might really just be paying the middle man.
 
There is definitely a crowd who likes to push the envelope with price. No matter what it is.. One person sees a 98 selling at auction for a stupid than all the prices go up ! No different with helmets ect.

I had heard the 98 prices on the tables were crazy in general but, im sure some deals were found. You have to be fast and look and be able to haggle. This is a skill it takes years to learn.. LOL

As I said to Bruce at times, we are a victim of our own success. More interest higher prices follow. Heck look at stupid black widow luger prices.. NO reason either super common and prices have tripled since I've tracked them.
 
That's the other thing you may not know. An offer could have bene made and sold for less and not disclosed. It really doesn't matter, and I really don't care but, I'm using this as an example of inflated sales prices that aren't real.

When pricing stuff we all inflate and add the haggle zone into the price. It's part of the game and I think most enjoy haggling.
 
Not too long ago bore condition had an impact on value. As well as whether duffle cut or not. I think a bad bore would make it worth less. Also, I would prefer it not be duffle cut. So, if I were buying (and I would like to have this one) I would try to bargain the price down if it had a bad bore and/or a duffle cut. Plus, I would try to lower the price because it does not have a sling. In other words, I would want to pay less for a bad bore, no sling, and being duffle cut. Of course others will disagree, but that is just me. Those things affect value to me. However, I may be inclined to pay more if there are capture papers or a legitimate story/provenance that goes with this rifle.
 
You guys have been amazing.
Greg did decide to sell it and it will be on its way to its new home on Monday. He did say he is extremely great-full because he thought it was only worth a few hundred dollars.
So everyone thank you very much and I am gonna stick around and keep learning.

Matt
 
Mr.Spradlin said:
You guys have been amazing.
Greg did decide to sell it and it will be on its way to its new home on Monday. He did say he is extremely great-full because he thought it was only worth a few hundred dollars.
So everyone thank you very much and I am gonna stick around and keep learning.

Matt
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Just curious, anyone close to what he got for it?
 
Cyrano4747 said:
Yeah, I think there's a big difference between the prices you see between collectors and what you see on the open market - e.g. shows, gunbroker, the big consignment websites like Simpson, etc That said, a lot of those are basically fishing expeditions with guns that don't move all that quickly.

THAT said, if you look at the actual completed auctions on GB you still see some pretty inflated numbers.

It's also important to keep in mind that collector to collector sales don't include things like a percentage for auction houses or consignment fees, so the difference between a $2000 rifle and a $2500 rifle might really just be paying the middle man.
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When you look at a few of the people at the extreme of pushing high prices, they have items that sit for a REALLY long time. Some of them just don't care and so there they sit for weeks or even months. If you actually want to move something along, that's not the pricing model you choose.
 
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