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Needing help identifying K98 I recently acquired.

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ClintBinder

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Please help identify this rifle
 

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214 Waffenamt was Berlin Lubecker (duv). Not sure on year. Stock is mis-matched to the metal. Metal was likely partially scrubbed and refinished? If there is some other reason for a front ring to be left blank I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly :)
 
Sporter rescue? bolt is definitely renumbered to match the rifle, not sure about the stock. looks like the siderail legend was futzed with as well. Odd thing that whatever it is, has a bcd barrel, unusual for a bcd rifle. bcd made lots of barrels for AA guns & even MGs, but not many for all the K98k rifles they built.
 
Wartime commercially proofed k98, often built from recycled parts, armorers' parts and previously rejected parts, late war usually. Some believe for Volksturm use. Has commercial eagle N (nitro) proof on receiver and it'll have more commercial proofs under the barrel. "U" on rear sight base marks this as a substandard part. Stock is numbered correctly for this model.
 
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Muncher 1953 said:
Sporter rescue? bolt is definitely renumbered to match the rifle, not sure about the stock. looks like the siderail legend was futzed with as well. Odd thing that whatever it is, has a bcd barrel, unusual for a bcd rifle. bcd made lots of barrels for AA guns & even MGs, but not many for all the K98k rifles they built.
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Didn't someone adapt MG barrels to K98k's? Could it be one of those?
 
swjXE said:
Wartime commercially proofed k98, often built from recycled parts, armorers' parts and previously rejected parts, late war usually. Some believe for Volksturm use. Has commercial eagle N (nitro) proof on receiver and it'll have more commercial proofs under the barrel. "U" on rear sight base marks this as a substandard part. Stock is numbered correctly for this model.
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Bingo! My thought too, hence the underside check of the metal for a date…
 
Sexton said:
Didn't someone adapt MG barrels to K98k's? Could it be one of those?
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yes, some quantity of rifles were fitted w/surplus mg barrels, but based on pic 5/15, this isn’t one of those, as that mod required some particular additional machining to join the mg barrel to the receiver, and that isn’t present on this example. those also showed three distinct rings on the barrel OD at the muzzle that aren’t covered by the front sight base. we haven’t seen a clear photo of that aspect, as yet.

those rifles look like this one from the sticky -

https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/rare-bcd-4-with-mg-15-barrel.21080/#post-144165

bottom line, we need better photos to give the most accurate answer.
 
Welp first off welcome, and second off when you get the stock pulled off and find a 3 or 4 digit date on the bottom side of the barrel with some commercial proofs like a heart for example, then congrats. Very, very strong likely hood that I'm willing to bet money on that you have a commercial production K98K. The new theory to these rifles is ammunition testing for ammo production facilities. Similar to why there is a Chinese Mauser that was given to Winchester in the 1930's in a batch of 10 rifles and one our head guys here (Bruce) has it.
 
Muncher 1953 said:
what model do you think it is? and what year do you think it was made?
it has a bcd 43 barrel…….
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I was wondering the same. I saw the barrel date and code too. I also wondered about the receiver. Astra perhaps? Also who might have assembled it. Possibly something on the bottom will provide some answers.
 
heavy_mech said:
I was wondering the same. I saw the barrel date and code too. I also wondered about the receiver. Astra perhaps? Also who might have assembled it. Possibly something on the bottom will provide some answers.
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I'm fairly positive that's where all of the answers to our questions lay. Under the wood line.
 
Muncher 1953 said:
I’m skeptical, but I don’t want the OP to feel I’m picking on him or his rifle.

ClintBinder, what can you share with us about how the rifle came to you? (its’ provenance)
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The only thing I see that gives me pause is the bottom metal. The Z in a circle is something from Waffen werke Brünn 2 I think because it was mentioned in a SS depot rebuild/repair rifle I seen awhile back in here (I believe cocking piece and safety were circle Z marked)
By the way @Muncher 1953 be sure to include "@" then type the person username and clicking on the profile that should pop up. Should give'em a notification you tagged them in something.
 
www.k98kforum.com

Another late Sauer commercial

I swore I posted this before, but I just can't find it. Wanted to add it to the sticky with the other 2 that have been shown here. Mine has some milling errors on various parts, rejects, plus a reused component. The "X" on the barrels indicates parts that failed waffenamt inspection, the X is...
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@ClintBinder here is one variant of a commercial rifle from our picture reference section.
 
Jdt said:
The only thing I see that gives me pause is the bottom metal. The Z in a circle is something from Waffen werke Brünn 2 I think because it was mentioned in a SS depot rebuild/repair rifle I seen awhile back in here (I believe cocking piece and safety were circle Z marked)
By the way @Muncher 1953 be sure to include "@" then type the person username and clicking on the profile that should pop up. Should give'em a notification you tagged them in something.
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The Germans had no problem using Czech VZ 24 parts, they're fairly common on reworks. On pg. 326 of the "Kriegsmodell' book you can learn most of what you need to know about these.
 
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