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Inherited Mauser-Werke Patrone .22 identification help and advice please

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Leon1260

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Hello all,

I would really appreciate and thoughts/opinions/advice on this gun that was recently inherited by a friend. I understand it to be a Mauser-Werke A. G. Oberndorf A. N. Patrone .22 Long Rifle.

My understanding is that there were multiple variations and models (ES350B, for example) and I am curious to learn more. I am also interested to know more about the engraved plate, and how that is helps tell the story of the gun. Additionally, if anyone has a guess of valuation, that would interesting as well. The context of this inquiry is to learn more and then eventually (likely) find a good home for this gun so that it does not sit in a closet for any longer.

I apologize in advance for the photos, better photos can be obtained. Thank you for your perspectives.

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Hello Again Leon: Looks like you are having all the fun! This is a Mauser Es350B evidently used at a University. I will send a translation and some background information shortly. Es350B rifles are very nice. You see some crazy prices on them but they don't usually move at the upper range ($2,000+). For an example, I have purchased 3 in the last couple of years and paid as little as $499 and as much as $1400. The more expensive gun is in super condition. This one is interesting. The pros are the SA metal plaque attached to the stock and the quality build of the ES350B. The cons are the gun has some rust issues (especially seen toward the barrel). Looks like it needs a good cleaning like the Walther. Once again, depends how it cleans up, if everything matches and if the bore is good. Price maybe $1200 to $1400 depending on final condition. Some may argue for a higher valuation because of the stock plaque. A rifle I would certainly like to own myself. Best. dj
 
Here's a stab at the information on the plaque.

Competitions 1937
S.A. Brigade Franken (Franconia in Bavaria)
made for the University of Erlangen (which I think is in Nuremberg which is in Franconia).


The SA (Sturmabteilung), also called Storm Troopers or Brown Shirts, were a paramilitary organization who helped Adolf Hitler's rise to power. Sort of a bunch of headknockers or hoodlums who were willing to do most anything to help Hitler come to power. Originally headed by Ernst Rohm if I remember correctly.

Best


dj
 
Leon1260 said:
Hello all,

I would really appreciate and thoughts/opinions/advice on this gun that was recently inherited by a friend. I understand it to be a Mauser-Werke A. G. Oberndorf A. N. Patrone .22 Long Rifle.

My understanding is that there were multiple variations and models (ES350B, for example) and I am curious to learn more. I am also interested to know more about the engraved plate, and how that is helps tell the story of the gun. Additionally, if anyone has a guess of valuation, that would interesting as well. The context of this inquiry is to learn more and then eventually (likely) find a good home for this gun so that it does not sit in a closet for any longer.

I apologize in advance for the photos, better photos can be obtained. Thank you for your perspectives.

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Parkerswede said:
Here's a stab at the information on the plaque.

Competitions 1937
S.A. Brigade Franken (Franconia in Bavaria)
made for the University of Erlangen (which I think is in Nuremberg which is in Franconia).


The SA (Sturmabteilung), also called Storm Troopers or Brown Shirts, were a paramilitary organization who helped Adolf Hitler's rise to power. Sort of a bunch of headknockers or hoodlums who were willing to do most anything to help Hitler come to power. Originally headed by Ernst Rohm if I remember correctly.

Best


dj
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The SA were in charge of the nation-wide program for marksmanship training, and held local, regional, and national competitions (Wettkämpfe) to this end. The rifle was not made for, but purchased and donated by, the University of Erlangen as a prize in this particular competition (gestiftet von der = given by the). Most collectors consider these award rifles with such a plaque adding to its provenance a considerable plus, and their value is thus increased quite a bit. Hope this helps.
Steve
 
Great information - thank you everyone. My next step in the process is to hopefully work through the ownership story behind the gun, especially as it relates to the information contained on the plaque. Hopefully this will reveal further interesting insights about the piece.
 
Good to see this posted. As I mentioned in your other thread. These come in many levels of quality. This is a higher grade rifle due to the better stock. There were also levels above.

Rifle looks complete less the front site insert ? possible missing ?

Every thing said so far is spot on and the S/A plaque on the stock brings it to a different level as far as value and collectability.

Very few of these have added plaques. Most of these day events a rifle was purchased and was given as a trophy for the winning participant. I have no doubt this is the case here.

Tracking this S/a unit may turn up info on this event. Sometimes tinnies were made if the event was large enough.

I'm sure this rifle with the rest was brought home by a service member..
 
mauser99 said:
Good to see this posted. As I mentioned in your other thread. These come in many levels of quality. This is a higher grade rifle due to the better stock. There were also levels above.

Rifle looks complete less the front site insert ? possible missing ?

Every thing said so far is spot on and the S/A plaque on the stock brings it to a different level as far as value and collectability.

Very few of these have added plaques. Most of these day events a rifle was purchased and was given as a trophy for the winning participant. I have no doubt this is the case here.

Tracking this S/a unit may turn up info on this event. Sometimes tinnies were made if the event was large enough.

I'm sure this rifle with the rest was brought home by a service member..
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I just wrote the archives department at the university. Worth a try. Do you have any advice/resources on researching specific S/a units? Is there a website or online database?
 
probably a lost cause..... LOL not many in Germany want to admit the Nazi's went to school there. Its a different situation over there.
Google will be more help. There are/were some great researchers here. One has passed away so That's a great loss.

Google is your best bet. Search dates and S/A group. Lots of times Tinnies were made to commemorate these activities as well..
 
The University is very unlikely to have any record of having made that donation. With some research (and a bit of luck) however, you might even find out who the winner was. Find the date and location of this particular SA group's Wettkampf of that year, and a local newspaper may have reported on it and listed the winners in the paper. Many of the papers have archives and some are available on the internet. A local SA publication might even list all those who donated prizes.
Steve
 
Good afternoon. I'm like the original author of this thread and have a Mauser-Werke A.G. Oberndorf A.N. .22 Long Rifle single shot brought to the U.S. by my brother-in-law's father at the end of WWII. #75235, B, G, and U markings, each with a crown above. My B.I.L. has no interest in guns, I'm a sportsman but not a gun collector, and he's interested in converting it to money. I've gone through the gun and it had some barrel rust (now removed), clean rifled bore, some stock nicks but in good shape, front sights and adjustable back site in tact. Can any of you give me counsel as to how to go about selling it? I have used on-line website to sell a basic .243 last year but feel they may not do a collector-type weapon proper treatment. Thanks for any input.
 
Confused here, the serial number 75235 would put this rifle in the first es340 or possibly the first es350 series, not the es350b rifle posted by leon1260 in the original post. Have I missed something?
 
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Good morning, Oldwing. 75235 is definitely the serial number. It’s on the barrel and on the action. I’m not familiar with the various series, just noticed that his posted pictures were similar. His number looks like 159780, suggesting that the one I have is from a much earlier series.

Good morning Banjomike,

I’m not quite sure as to how to set a price. Reading through this thread it sounds like it’s a mid range between the $499 and the $1200 number as it seems to me to be in good condition except the external barrel rust. I can post pictures for you if you’re interested. We’d also have to figure out how to get it to you and to pay me. I’m in Fort Myers, Florida.
 
Hello everyone, new to the forum so I’m going to piggy back off of Leon’s post. A buddy of mine is selling two of these .22 German trainers and I wanted to gauge if the asking price is fair for them as I’m pretty unfamiliar with these rifles. Apologies as the pictures aren’t the best.
The first rifle has SA d & NSDAP on the stock, has all the waffenamts, take a mag, & is in good shape. I am aware what the stock marking means, but any other info would be appreciated! He would like $1,500 for this rifle. After some research I’ve seen these go for anywhere from $1000-$2000 through auction houses. But I’m not an auction house and was wondering what a reasonable shop price would be, aka a typical selling price.
The second rifle has no “unique” stock markings but has all the waffenamts & is also in good shape. He would like $600 for it which I believe is a good price but any assistance on identifying a fair price would be appreciated. Thank you!
 

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Sorry I can't contribute anything substantial but recently read about the Hitler Jugend Honor Rifle. Top shot got to take home a 22 LR rifle along with ammunition. It was expected of him to practice. When it came time for that youth to report for auxiliary flak helper service, he returned the rifle which was then awarded to the newest HJ top shot.

Mind you, the German foresters (game wardens) were still working during the war and the youth was not supposed to poach.
 
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the kkw with SA mark is worth 1500 no issues there. I cant really tell what the other is? the photos aren't clear . looks like a gew98 muzzle cover shown is for a gew98


I need the ser # to determine the ser range and whether or not it should have a numbered bolt. does it and does' it match?? looks to be in high condition.
 
mauser99 said:
the kkw with SA mark is worth 1500 no issues there. I cant really tell what the other is? the photos aren't clear . looks like a gew98 muzzle cover shown is for a gew98


I need the ser # to determine the ser range and whether or not it should have a numbered bolt. does it and does' it match?? looks to be in high condition.
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Thanks for the help! I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t aware these can sell for that much. Let me see if I can get some better pictures.
 
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