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Polish Eagle Vis 35 Questions

Northyuma said:
You have yourself a very interesting piece of history. This is a late production, literally just prior to the final days before German occupation, where the plant was grabbing parts and putting them together. There are inspector proof on both sides of your trigger guard. However, it does lack the Polish eagle proof next to the takedown lever.

It has obvious wear, use and moisture exposure, and as eluded to above, it has an occupation magazine without the oval G2.

The slide, frame and barrel are within the family of the final days of Polish reign at the Radom factory.

Having said that, your pistol is worth more than $1500 to a knowing collector.
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As the final point, if this were to have been put together by German occupation as some were early on, each were in the 10,000 serial number range, over stamped/rolled with the German legend for the P 35p together with German WaA. This was likely captured by the Germans after capitulation and put to use or used by Polish resistance for the remainder of the war.
 
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Northyuma said:
As the final point, if this were to have been put together by German occupation as some were early on, each were in the 10,000 serial number range, over stamped/rolled with the German legend for the P 35p together with German WaA. This was likely captured by the Germans after capitulation and put to use or used by Polish resistance for the remainder of the war.
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That is a lot of cool information. I wish I knew how her grandfather obtained it. I honestly think he may have come home with it, but I would need to find out more about where he was at this point in time of the war.
 
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556CRiding said:
That is a lot of cool information. I wish I knew how her grandfather obtained it. I honestly think he may have come home with it, but I would need to find out more about where he was at this point in time of the war.
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Best chance is a records check, gonna need to hire a private investigator imo tho because from my understanding there are documents out there that the average Joe won't have access too unless your a P.I.
 
ugafx4 said:
What unit was her grandfather in?
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Unfortunately, I don’t have much of that information. She never met her grandfather, and all of her living relatives (other than my wife’s siblings) passed away before she turned 30. Not a lot of records, but I will PM you what I know so far.
 
search my posts here. "the eagle has landed". I posted a MM factory assembled polish captured 39 Radom,, there are certain traits that make it legit.
 
mauser99 said:
search my posts here. "the eagle has landed". I posted a MM factory assembled polish captured 39 Radom,, there are certain traits that make it legit.
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That is really cool. That serial number on the frame is one 1 off from mine. Just out of curiosity, if you have had a chance to look at my photos and don’t mind sharing or sending a PM, were the slide and barrel similar numbers to mine as well?
 
556CRiding said:
That is really cool. That serial number on the frame is one 1 off from mine. Just out of curiosity, if you have had a chance to look at my photos and don’t mind sharing or sending a PM, were the slide and barrel similar numbers to mine as well?
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That is super awesome. If you decide to sell, make sure to offer it to him since consecutive serials, despite mismatch, are very rare in any case.

Secondly, most of the late 1939 pistols are mismatched. The stories I've been told are either it is the hurry due to the Germans coming in, as well as the Germans putting together whatever was at hand.

Finally regarding value, these pistols are nowadays extremely sought after in Poland. They pay crazy prices for those, what has raised the value of them all over the world. A barrel mismatch 1939 pistol (with a barrel that appears to have a crack on bottom too) that got listed on the "German Gunbroker" right now passed € 7000, and this still three weeks prior to the auction end. It isn't my auction, but since it is still live I don't want to post a link. Again, different continent and different finish as well as "less mismatch", but still interesting to compare against with.
 
Absolut said:
That is super awesome. If you decide to sell, make sure to offer it to him since consecutive serials, despite mismatch, are very rare in any case.

Secondly, most of the late 1939 pistols are mismatched. The stories I've been told are either it is the hurry due to the Germans coming in, as well as the Germans putting together whatever was at hand.

Finally regarding value, these pistols are nowadays extremely sought after in Poland. They pay crazy prices for those, what has raised the value of them all over the world. A barrel mismatch 1939 pistol (with a barrel that appears to have a crack on bottom too) that got listed on the "German Gunbroker" right now passed € 7000, and this still three weeks prior to the auction end. It isn't my auction, but since it is still live I don't want to post a link. Again, different continent and different finish as well as "less mismatch", but still interesting to compare against with.
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I thought that was pretty crazy to see a consecutive number as well. Thank you for the comment. That is a cool perspective from other countries.
 
I asked a very well known guy in regards to VIS pistols what the story of those late Polish VIS mismatches is. He said those guns are "Polish parts from post-military acceptance range" and that no one knows for sure what the true story with those is. His hypothesis is that these were used in Radom by the Germans for re-training the new crew in 1940 and less than 15% prewar assembly crew reported for work after the occupation of Poland, therefore re-training was essential to start production anew. Since those weren't military accepted neither by Polish nor by the Germans they should not make their way into the hands of the military, but still somehow they did. He suspect those were set aside in 1940 and then found at the evacuation in 1944, and back then 3000 pistols were 3000 pistols, despite the lack of acceptance, so they were pressed into military service (after all they still were higher quality than the German manufactured ones).
 
I found some similar theories in my brief searches. Also the passage from York’s book that was quoted by one of the members pointed out the achievement of interchangeable parts. Pretty excitin information to find and comb through.
 
Getting back to this.. This would fall into the same acceptance to collectors as the late/post war assembled Walther pistols. Accepted as a true "variant" and fall into a specific range and lack certain things. A MM pistol typically cuts the value in half but, an accepted MM example would have its own specific value based off the collectors market. These are a niche variant. Not all will or would care and have to a specific collector who does.

It's quite a thing to find another one digit off but, as I have seen having consecutive examples doesn't really add the immense value we would think. Just cool factor for us nerdy collectors. :cool:
 
mauser99 said:
Getting back to this.. This would fall into the same acceptance to collectors as the late/post war assembled Walther pistols. Accepted as a true "variant" and fall into a specific range and lack certain things. A MM pistol typically cuts the value in half but, an accepted MM example would have its own specific value based off the collectors market. These are a niche variant. Not all will or would care and have to a specific collector who does.

It's quite a thing to find another one digit off but, as I have seen having consecutive examples doesn't really add the immense value we would think. Just cool factor for us nerdy collectors. :cool:
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Thank you. That cool factor to the nerdy collector is value in itself. It is fun looking into everything and reading all the cool facts that have been shared.
 
I have a VIS 35 which I picked up several years ago. It was made in '37. It's not a family heirloom as yours is.

A pre-invasion VIS 35 with the Polish Eagle on it is highly sought after.

I would not sell it due to it being an family heirloom AND Its having the Polish Eagle. If you do decide to sell it, shoot for the moon! The right collector will come around.
 
MSB629 said:
I have a VIS 35 which I picked up several years ago. It was made in '37. It's not a family heirloom as yours is.

A pre-invasion VIS 35 with the Polish Eagle on it is highly sought after.

I would not sell it due to it being an family heirloom AND Its having the Polish Eagle. If you do decide to sell it, shoot for the moon! The right collector will come around.
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A 1937! That is pretty awesome. I have actually never seen a 1937. Only 1938s and 1939s.
 
Let’s see some pictures! 1937 is rare. Fewest made of 36’-39’. Only 3000 were made in 37’ as they moved to rifle production for Spanish Civil war.
 
I'm going by the seriel numbers provided. It has to be a 1939 at its earliest. It's fully waffenamt & German approved. It is the 3 lever variety like yours

Not sure if you knew this, the Poles working under german rule smuggled parts out & got them to the Polish resistance. I never cared for pre-war guns. Your pistol? I'd give my eye teeth to have it.

You have a pistol which from the moment it was captured by your wife's grandfather till now you know it's full history.

That in itself is reason enough to pass it down to your son or daughter!

I have a 1938 s/42 with bring back papers. Other than that I know nothing about it

Enjoy it!
 
I'm assuming you have an original magazine. Treat it like gold. I've seen them for sale from $300 - $600!

Two bad pics (lighting terrible)
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