MP44/StG44 Accessories
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hatrick
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Roost... they don't look like original bags to me. Not the correct material.
Despite not being original, they would be an ok place filler and better than nothing. If you can get them, I would be interested in buying one just so I had something in my buttstock. Thanks.
roos1984
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Thanks for the information. When I have the bags I will take better pictures. I got the bags for a good price
roos1984
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I will fill the bags and then at least have some that correspond to the original. I would still have an original yogo bag for the mp44 to sell but without content, just the bag
hatrick
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Roos… I’d be interested in buying your Yugo spare parts bag. At least I would have something. i appreciate the help m
Joseph Burke
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Yes, this takedown tool looks correct. I'm new to these but just acquired both what I assume is an original TD tool and and original loader. I also picked up some repros of same to compare.
That machined step on the very tip and the wide(r) channel behind are the dead giveaways that I'm seeing on originality, plus the steel is of high quality and nicely blued as well.
The repro lacks the step at the tip and has a narrow channel. It has a wide neck behind that while the original has a shallow/narrow neck behind the channel. I'm not sure if it's blued or some other very dark coating. Of course there will be multiple repro makers I assume but the one I think is original is absolutely identical to yours.
The original loader is very neatly bent/folded with intricate details for an excellent fit. It is also blued high quality steel. There are no acceptance marks. The stripper clip channels on the sides are quite different between the assumed original and the obvious repro. On the repro the steel is different and is poorly/sloppily bent and lacks the fine detail work for a proper fit. It isn't even close in quality.
Nigromontanus
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Just a few words in comment to the elogy above: I have never seen a MP44 manual which has been in the buttstock having such a pristine condition. The brush is commercial. The pouch shown in added pic is repro. This all together is no indicator that the take down tool is original. One cannot make a reliable decision by one pic on these. You need to have it in your hands and hold it against known originals. BTW, original take down tools are neither bent by nature, nor by use. Blueing: no indicator, they exist without blueing.
I will write on this in part 3 of my book series on StG 44 accessories. Part 1 with 100 magazine variations has been printed in a small number in german language with 1200 color pics on 160 pages. Anyone interested can send me a PM with his E-Mail address. I will send an information in October then, but nothing goes fast. Currently I am busy with sending the books for free to museums and persons who let me make pics, while preparing book 2 on the pouches.
I will write on this in part 3 of my book series on StG 44 accessories. Part 1 with 100 magazine variations has been printed in a small number in german language with 1200 color pics on 160 pages. Anyone interested can send me a PM with his E-Mail address. I will send an information in October then, but nothing goes fast. Currently I am busy with sending the books for free to museums and persons who let me make pics, while preparing book 2 on the pouches.
biggymu
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MP43
As promised on an earlier thread, here are pictures of my MP43. This model was produced for a very short time and I believe concurrently with the MP43/1. I was lucky enough to purchase this piece from the original owners family before the skyrocketing prices made these unobtanium. It was...
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I guarantee the magazine pouch pictured in my post to be original as well.
Nigromontanus
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Absolutely nice rifle, congratulations, I would wish to have the opportunity to document such a nice example of the h-block.
I did not write the manual is not original, I wrote that I have never seen one coming like that out of a stock and I have documented quite some. Everytime it is taken out and put in marks on the paper arise. The takedown tool leaves marks, too. More pics would help. Same goes for tool.
As for the brush, this stays commercial, it cannot be used with RG34, the metal part has a thread and seems to be made from brass. As for the pouch, I permit myself to post it once more, I take it for granted that you believe it to be original, but take some pics of it and put it up for discussion here or in the WAF and see what the results are. I gain no satisfaction in telling that.
I did not write the manual is not original, I wrote that I have never seen one coming like that out of a stock and I have documented quite some. Everytime it is taken out and put in marks on the paper arise. The takedown tool leaves marks, too. More pics would help. Same goes for tool.
As for the brush, this stays commercial, it cannot be used with RG34, the metal part has a thread and seems to be made from brass. As for the pouch, I permit myself to post it once more, I take it for granted that you believe it to be original, but take some pics of it and put it up for discussion here or in the WAF and see what the results are. I gain no satisfaction in telling that.
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Joseph Burke
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Indeed. The tip has a finely machined slightly beveled edge. This is identical to mine. The reproduction does not have that extra machine step, among other differences.
biggymu
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Here are some better pictures of the bits from my butt stock. All I can say is they were present at the time of purchase. When I purchased the weapon, there was not much information on the subject of accessories in print, and I dont ever remember seeing a picture of another brush. Curiously, it threads onto the end of a cleaning rod without trouble (not a common thread), so i never gave it a thought. I dont use it. It is what it is.
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Joseph Burke
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I can't comment on the brush but the tool is golden. I suspect a good chance the brush is too. Apparently there's a little variation in the tools but those well machined and beveled/stepped tips are the giveaway.
As a side note, the shaft on yours looks like it might have "turn marks" similar in look to the spacing of barrel rifling. Those are present on mine as well.
Note this on yours (first image) and then on mine.
Joseph Burke
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Here's what I assume is likely an original loader as opposed to a known reproduction. Both are mine.
No need to identify which is which. The assumed original fits very well on an original magazine. The reproduction, not so much.
Note the tremendous difference in quality.
No need to identify which is which. The assumed original fits very well on an original magazine. The reproduction, not so much.
Note the tremendous difference in quality.
biggymu
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The quality is obvious on the one loader. Looks most likely original.
I went through all my references and did searches online and can’t locate a single, full photo of a purpose made gas cylinder brush for the assault rifle series.
There are obviously blue and phosphate versions of the takedown tool. Any monkey with a lathe could make one.
I went through all my references and did searches online and can’t locate a single, full photo of a purpose made gas cylinder brush for the assault rifle series.
There are obviously blue and phosphate versions of the takedown tool. Any monkey with a lathe could make one.
Nigromontanus
Senior Member
Update: I have translated the german text of my book into English, which will be given as free addendum to all buyers from non german speaking countries. With google translator the text can then be easily translated into any language. I had grown a bad conscience towards all the buyers who were purchasing a book from mine, even though they could not even read the text passages.
biggymu
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Paul this is welcome news. In our last correspondence you were going to send me a link to where the book could be purchased. I can’t find anywhere you mention even the title of the book. .
Please enlighten us who are unaware.
