1916 DWM 8828cc - Factory Matching & A First for Me

OnlyMil

Junior Member
Hey guys, as many of you probably have been aware, I have been after a nice matching Gewehr 98 for quite some time. While I have picked up some very nice matching 98a rifles, the Gewehr 98s had always eluded me. A little over a year ago I almost dropped big money on a cleaned gun with issues at Morphy's. Since I was saved from that disaster, I have been very patient, taking a lot of sage advice from more seasoned collectors here on this forum. Shoutout to Chris especially, who has been a great mentor. Gewehr 98s and German firearms in general are such a minefield after all... There were some instances throughout last year where ordinary rifles were offered to me for stupid money for no good reason which I politely turned down (top was $5K...).

Early last month this rifle popped up on Legacy Collectibles. With encouragement from Chris, who made me aware of it in the first place, I decided to pull the trigger on it. Some of you might recognize this rifle from a thread 3 months ago and you'd be correct. I guess the prior owner decided to flip it to legacy rather than selling it here, but hey, at least I got it! It truly is his loss, as rifles like this don't come up often (trust me, I know!). That thread also had photos that, in my opinion did not really do the rifle justice, and were posted to a 3rd party photo sharing website rather than the forum itself. Timing on this rifle worked out well, as in just the last couple of weeks, I was able to update my photo setup. No longer wiLL the dark Upstate New York winters hold back my photography! This is the first rifle I decided to photograph and I think the photos turned out well.

Once I received the rifle I spent about 15 hours over several weeks doing a conservative cleaning, and boy was this rifle dirty. May the brash brush, rags, and many Q-Tips rest in peace. I had good results with Hoppe's Elite foaming cleaner which seeped out so much dirt I could hardly believe it. The upside is that this 1916 DWM is mostly untouched and is factory matching, less the cleaning rod, which seems to have been added between the prior owner and myself. I don't believe it is a German cleaning rod, but fits the aesthetic until I decide to pony up for one. When I received it, the matching firing pin was clipped. I sent it to Don and had it repaired. He does excellent work. The wood furniture is un-messed with and walnut. The receiver and bolt are still in the white and have that closet-fresh look (patina) to them. No wire wheeling on this one. The bluing is rather excellent on the barrel, and especially so where it was hidden from the elements beneath the wood-line and handguard. The bore is excellent. I cannot find anything wrong with this rifle, so it will be with me for the long haul. Especially so as it is the first such rifle I have owned.

Anyway here is the data sheet™:

Receiver 8828cc
Barrel 8828cc (Bö 420 Barrel Code)
Front Sight 28
Rear Sight Leaf: 28
Sight Slider 28
Ejector Box 28
Trigger Sear 28
Front Barrel Band 28
Rear Barrel Band 28
Trigger Guard 8828
Trigger Guard Screws 28, 28
Floor Plate 28
Follower 28
Stock 8828 (Internal & External)
Handguard 8828
Buttplate 8828
Bayonet Lug 28
Cleaning Rod: No Markings
Bolt body: 8828cc
Safety: 28
Cocking Piece: 28
Bolt shroud: 28
Firing Pin: 28
Extractor 28

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I remember bidding on this one when it first came up but I'm glad that in the end, it went to someone who truly appreciates it. Congrats on your first Gewehr 98, she cleaned up nicely! And your new photo setup is phenomenal, definitely shows off how nice this one truly is (I'm thinking worthy of a sticky in the pic ref thread? ;) ) I'd be thrilled if my first Gewehr 98 was a WMO or DWM Gew 98 in a similar condition as yours, hopefully this year...
 
Congrats! That's a nice one, I really like the walnut stock on this rifle. I've always wanted to have a DWM personally but I never found one yet.
 
Fantastic DWM, Alex! You did a superb job with the minimal cleaning, great example of how it should be done. I'll add this to the reference!

You did well following Chris's advice, also. That sounds pretty slimy of someone to offer you a common Gew at $5k.
 
Alex, great rifle and great photography. If your goal was a factory gun in nice condition you definitely succeeded. Don did a nice job fixing the pin. If you hadn't said anything it'd be hard to tell. The partial refund you got made that a no brainer. I'm happy you exercised patience and didn't become a cautionary tale.

As far as the rifle goes, it's a fantastic DWM from the later part of 1916. It's great that it has such a nice piece of dark walnut lumber too-- my 16 is a bb block and it's pretty light beech. You'll note that there are no wartime updates to the stock either (TD or grooves)-- DWM was notoriously slow on making these changes-- my 1917 doesn't even have them.

Great job on the cleaning... It was good, conservative work free of buffing, walnut shell blasting and sandpaper!

Glad you invested in a proper photo setup. You'll find your favorite technique the more you tinker with placement and settings. It's a great start though.
 
I remember bidding on this one when it first came up but I'm glad that in the end, it went to someone who truly appreciates it. Congrats on your first Gewehr 98, she cleaned up nicely! And your new photo setup is phenomenal, definitely shows off how nice this one truly is (I'm thinking worthy of a sticky in the pic ref thread? ;) ) I'd be thrilled if my first Gewehr 98 was a WMO or DWM Gew 98 in a similar condition as yours, hopefully this year...

Thank you!! I was always of the mind that photos on the white carpet in front of the sliding glass door left something to be desired haha. I'm glad this rifle stayed with a member. I remember you mentioned that you had bid on this in the original thread and it sounds like you were in the same boat as me. It took me many years, but here we are. I have no doubt your day will come.

Nice rifle and nice post… congrats

Thank you Jory!!!

Congrats! That's a nice one, I really like the walnut stock on this rifle. I've always wanted to have a DWM personally but I never found one yet.

Thank you! I know what you mean, the walnut stocks sure do pop. Especially the pre-war rifles. I'm also partial to the light-finished Danzig rifles of the late war. They may be beech, but they sure did right by them haha. Luckily DWM made a lot of rifles, so hopefully you can find one soon.

Fantastic DWM, Alex! You did a superb job with the minimal cleaning, great example of how it should be done. I'll add this to the reference!

You did well following Chris's advice, also. That sounds pretty slimy of someone to offer you a common Gew at $5k.

Thank you Cyrus!! I do my best to keep it real with the cleaning. I try to do the rifle as much justice as possible without stripping off the history. Honored to have another in the reference as well.

I think after my rant about the $7500 Amberg from Morphy's got a lot of attention it may have stirred the wrong sentiment. Luckily, no harm done in the end.

Alex, great rifle and great photography. If your goal was a factory gun in nice condition you definitely succeeded. Don did a nice job fixing the pin. If you hadn't said anything it'd be hard to tell. The partial refund you got made that a no brainer. I'm happy you exercised patience and didn't become a cautionary tale.

As far as the rifle goes, it's a fantastic DWM from the later part of 1916. It's great that it has such a nice piece of dark walnut lumber too-- my 16 is a bb block and it's pretty light beech. You'll note that there are no wartime updates to the stock either (TD or grooves)-- DWM was notoriously slow on making these changes-- my 1917 doesn't even have them.

Great job on the cleaning... It was good, conservative work free of buffing, walnut shell blasting and sandpaper!

Glad you invested in a proper photo setup. You'll find your favorite technique the more you tinker with placement and settings. It's a great start though.

Thank you for your help Chris, I've learned a lot. Happy to have this rifle in my collection as a starting point. A pretty textbook yet pretty DWM like you mention. They sure knew how to make a nice rifle. (Probably) DWM when they're told to make updates to the Gew 98 design:
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We'll see what the future holds :cool: Looking forward to seeing others' acquisitions.

For now, my photography journey is next it seems haha. I've already begun tinkering with the photos. I never knew that an interest in historic firearms would so deepen my knowledge of photography 😂
 
I think after my rant about the $7500 Amberg from Morphy's got a lot of attention it may have stirred the wrong sentiment. Luckily, no harm done in the end.
Yeah, unfortunately, when you posted about the near-catastrophe on that Amberg the greedy vultures saw $$$$ and start circling. Fortunately you exercised patience and didn't give in. See what happens with patience in this hobby??? 😎

Thank you for your help Chris, I've learned a lot. Happy to have this rifle in my collection as a starting point. A pretty textbook yet pretty DWM like you mention. They sure knew how to make a nice rifle.
Happy to help..this was a good buy. Not a steal, but when you see one you really want and plan on holding onto, nothing wrong with going a little higher.
 
Chris did right by you, a solid example from DWM and not easy to find this original and walnut to boot! (DWM lingered with walnut longer than the rest but by mid-1916 - through q- block almost solid walnut) they too introduced beech, but walnut groups solidly in ranges, for instance1916 dd-block group mostly walnut, though we are talking "observations" and 10 known with original stocks - walnut, that is potentially not going to hold throughout the 10,000 that were probably made, but so far as trends go, your rifle is an exceptional example and fits well!
 
Yeah, unfortunately, when you posted about the near-catastrophe on that Amberg the greedy vultures saw $$$$ and start circling. Fortunately you exercised patience and didn't give in. See what happens with patience in this hobby??? 😎


Happy to help..this was a good buy. Not a steal, but when you see one you really want and plan on holding onto, nothing wrong with going a little higher.

Definitely pays off to be patient :cool: Happy to have finally joined the Gewehr 98 club with a righteous example 🔥

Chris did right by you, a solid example from DWM and not easy to find this original and walnut to boot! (DWM lingered with walnut longer than the rest but by mid-1916 - through q- block almost solid walnut) they too introduced beech, but walnut groups solidly in ranges, for instance1916 dd-block group mostly walnut, though we are talking "observations" and 10 known with original stocks - walnut, that is potentially not going to hold throughout the 10,000 that were probably made, but so far as trends go, your rifle is an exceptional example and fits well!

Thank you Paul! Always appreciate your insights on production!!
 
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