Jwh 41 bayonets
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To get nice and matching they are not common. It’s true, just the two blocks.
I have one in my jwh 41-44 run.
I have one in my jwh 41-44 run.
For jwh41, no that I know of,
Aws
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SVW1945
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Andy ,So does the last reported number 8987a , state that there was around 20,000 produce by that recorded number so far ?
SVW1945
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So I would say that would be pretty rare to find a nice matching one. And how many have survived since the war?. I bet maybe cut that in half for nice matching ones. Just my speculation on serving matched jwh 41,s. And did they start manufacturing them in Nov. Since there was only 2 months of manufacturing them that year. Why would they start in January and end them in February. That would be 10 months of no manufacturing of the 41 jwh bayonet.
grimlin13
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This got me to thinking about the 41 i (Elite-Diamant). On the k98.free.fr web site, there are two examples in the no letter block, they have the full name maker mark instead of the i maker mark. Of the i maker marked bayonets, one is in the "a", two in the "b" block and only one example is in the "c" block.
Fellow forum member, Unutt, has three 41 Elite -Diamants in his collection, of which, a no letter block with full name and the other two are in the "a" block with i designation.
I have 41 i maker marked, serial number 8205 in the no letter block. The full name maker mark changed to i in the no letter block, making the full name 41 E-D a rare bayonet with less than 8000 (?) produced. Not sure exactly when the change took place.
So we know the 41 i went at least into the "c" block from examples.
My questions for Andy are. Do you know where in the no letter block the change to i was? Did they go past the "c" block?
Sorry for high jacking your thread SVW1945.
Fellow forum member, Unutt, has three 41 Elite -Diamants in his collection, of which, a no letter block with full name and the other two are in the "a" block with i designation.
I have 41 i maker marked, serial number 8205 in the no letter block. The full name maker mark changed to i in the no letter block, making the full name 41 E-D a rare bayonet with less than 8000 (?) produced. Not sure exactly when the change took place.
So we know the 41 i went at least into the "c" block from examples.
My questions for Andy are. Do you know where in the no letter block the change to i was? Did they go past the "c" block?
Sorry for high jacking your thread SVW1945.
AndyB
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When started production of Chatellerault i dont known, but starting is always harder as ending production, believe that it was november 1941 is probably unreal, the factory delivered other production for german army, so possible too the last one jwh41 marked were ended by early 1942, prior they got a new stamp, the production of 41 jwh is much smaller to compare next 2 years 1942/3. I have in dbase reported 35 samples, so this is certainly not rare. But matching and excellent condition piece is well for any collection. The next piece is jwh42, 421b, anyway there existed some scabbards marked with 42 jwh, but unlegible letter code, or so weakly stamped that the owners reported it as no letter range.
About Elite Diamant is already reported here in forum, i assume only 3500-4000 were serialed in 1941 with full name, then it was switched to i letter code. i have reported 3161 as Elite Diamant 41.
About Elite Diamant is already reported here in forum, i assume only 3500-4000 were serialed in 1941 with full name, then it was switched to i letter code. i have reported 3161 as Elite Diamant 41.
Splitting hairs my friend but the blocks are 10.000 each.
I have owned several jwh41 over the years. They are hard to find especially in matching collectable condition. I tend to agree with Andrej in regard to the production commencement and overrun into 1942. The 1941 was definitely the smallest series. 1944 was over twice as high in number of pieces produced even with the fall of France and evacuation of the factory.
grimlin13
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I knew the blocks were/are 10,000 each as I have stated in other posts, not sure what I was thinking when I posted that (brain fart) lol.
Thanks for correction.
I do have a question though.
Did the blocks start at 0000 (0) and end at 9999 or did they start at 0001 and end at 10,000? I have never seen a 0 or a 10,000 serial number.
I know the Paul Weyersberg (crs) Tr bayonets had serial numbers over 10.000 but omitting those here.
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Hey Monnie,
Correct to leave out the 41crs numbering anomalies. Still trying to figure those out. The Tr as well as the other strange blocks (L, S, etc). Standard letter blocks will start with 1 or 0001, depending on the maker as well as time period. Some firms used leading zeros while others did not. And they will end at 10000. Have seen both 1 and 10000 numbered examples but not very often. Actually have a 10000 piece in my collection. Andrej could probably add further details to the discussion if he sees your post. I also own a 0000 numbered piece but it is not standard production; more likely some type of test example or refurbished piece. I think it is posted here someplace ......
