z-dot 1944 study

Bob in OHIO

Bob in OHIO

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Thought this "z-dot" was interesting, after some reading I did from another post....

Loewe said:
Not exactly, e/H seems to start in the z-block (1944), with some inconsistency. Generally dot/43 through dot/44 z-block "seem" to generally lack e/H, however my trends for Brno is not complete (dou-Brno II is, not dot).

Of course this question is complicated by the fact that most people do not photograph or record locations that are "blank", some do not even photograph relevant spots when there are markings.. so although dot 43-44 are some of the most well represented rifles one comes across, much is not known with certainty.

In short, your rifle should not have a e/H, though typically they do have the suffix internally. It seems there is some inconsistency there also, which is common with other makers that suffix internally.
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This first set of pics are wood.
  1. Perhaps most noteworthy to me is the crispness of the E/H cartouche. Usually, these are really tough to see in "dot" rifles. Maybe earliest use produced a crispy one
  2. White glue stock, red glue hand guard... Is this early use of white glue?
  3. Suffix present in the channel for stock & HG
 

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The rust cleaned off really well.... impressive blue by Brunn 1
 

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Here are some overall pics...
 

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Nice looking rifle....good job with the rust. E/6 marked receiver....ahhh the elusive late war Czech Simson. :googlie

-BD
 
Agree. Quality bluing and overall metalwork/finish for '44. Very nice job on the rust. Kroil and bronze wool by chance? I think it's a very nice piece.
 
heavy_mech said:
... Kroil and bronze wool by chance? I think it's a very nice piece.
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No, just good oil and a bronze brush. Thanks for the ++ comments.

This rifle is clearly a bring back, and then sold (to a dealer), then to me as (probably) the first collector since Germany. It's duff cut under the rear band, and not repaired. In an odd way, the unrepaired duff cut is better than repaired, 'cause it helps validate a non-collector lineage. The untouched sight hood rails, spanner on the recoil & buttplate screws are all untouched, minty bore after wiping dust, heavy rust on the floor plate suggests a total closet gun from the vet/family.
 

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Don't take this wrong, just reacting to your line of thought there - so have you "ruined" the cycle by cleaning it, thereby adding collector lineage to it? Does that not by definition devalue it to the next guy as you suggest it might for you?

I agree that 80's guns are terrible to have in your collection, over cleaned and bleached stocks. This is a nice gun that needed cleaning up, and thankfully you did a good job and preserved it for the future. Nice early dot44 too, I was watching that auction, you got it for a good price.
 
mrfarb said:
Don't take this wrong, just reacting to your line of thought there - so have you "ruined" the cycle by cleaning it, thereby adding collector lineage to it? Does that not by definition devalue it to the next guy as you suggest it might for you? .....
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I used to think so, but "neglect" (as once pointed out to me by a Japanese collector on a J-rifle) convinced me the floorplate needed attention. I won't repair the duff cut... IMO, that is not necessary.
 
I agree, neglect is bad. I rarely fix duffel cuts- you can buy a brass tube that fits perfectly in the original hole that holds the assembly together. That's what I do now if the cut isn't fixed already.
 
Bob in OHIO said:
I used to think so, but "neglect" (as once pointed out to me by a Japanese collector on a J-rifle) convinced me the floorplate needed attention. I won't repair the duff cut... IMO, that is not necessary.
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I feel the same way. I won't be repairing my duffle cut either. But I won't leave active rust, dirt etc. Cobwebs have no "historical value" to me. Nor do carpet fibers stuck in rust on the butt plate. I about got gang raped on GB for even suggesting such things.
 
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